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NTamm1215 01-22-2010 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by eajinabi
As you know, big races extend beyond BC/TC races and still he is a relative no-show. Winning over 300 races and winning at 25% clip doesnt inherit you big mounts. If that was the case then Russel Baze, and Clinton Potts would be first call for any elite trainer of thier choice. Elite riders not only win one or two Grade ones but repeat and repeat thier wins in Grade Ones.
So he sucks because he doesn't win big races and he sucks because he doesn't win big races because trainers don't want riders that win at a high clip?

I never said that Ramon gets a lot of "big mounts" and fails with them in what you call big races.

Let me ask you a question, how do you feel about Joel Rosario?

NT

Gaining Ground 01-22-2010 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by eajinabi
As you know, big races extend beyond BC/TC races and still he is a relative no-show. Winning over 300 races and winning at 25% clip doesnt inherit you big mounts. If that was the case then Russel Baze, and Clinton Potts would be first call for any elite trainer of thier choice. Elite riders not only win one or two Grade ones but repeat and repeat thier wins in Grade Ones.
he won 5 grade 1's last year. how many grade 1's in a year puts you in elite company?

MaTH716 01-22-2010 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by eajinabi
Deepest??? Best??? I am looking at AQU Jockey standings right now and he is just schooling the likes of David Cohen, Angel Serpa (Who?), Napravnik and Charles Lopez (Who?) Doesnt Aqueduct run 6 months out of the year? Again another example of a good jockey crushing a poor-mediocre group of jockeys,

You also forget that your top tier jockeys in NYRA are spent shuffling around Keeneland, Gulfstream, Churchill. And again they dont ride near as enough mounts as Dominguez to even contend jockey titles. What they do beat him in is definetely in Graded stakes win.

Also, you seem to empasize wins in Claiming, ALW as more important than anything else.

I am not going to argue that Dominguez is a good jockey or not but as far as being elite --Not yet my friend.
Obviously he isn't beating the cream of the crop now. Most of the jocks flee NY when they move on to the inner. Then they start migrating back when they move back to the main track. But what about Saratoga and the titles for the 2 Belmont meets? Those count for nothing? Someone mentioned it before, I also think the fact that he doesn't ride first call for guys lke Pletcher, Kiran, Baffert etc..... hurts him in some of the bigger races. But I really think he is a guy who is on the cusp of exploding and trainers will be wanting him to fly in to ride their horses all over the country. He's on his way to that next level.

eajinabi 01-22-2010 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by NTamm1215
So he sucks because he doesn't win big races and he sucks because he doesn't win big races because trainers don't want riders that win at a high clip?

I never said that Ramon gets a lot of "big mounts" and fails with them in what you call big races.

Let me ask you a question, how do you feel about Joel Rosario?

NT
Now, I did not say he sucks. I only mentioned Russel Baze, and Clinton Potts because these are other jocks that win a lot at high percentage but when given the oppurtunity to step up thier game in Big Races, they are a No-Show. However, to put Ramon him in the level of Gomez, Leparoux, Desourmaux etc. is not merited yet.

Just like Dominguez, Rosario is a rising star but he is more than a decade younger and has much much less riding experience than Dominguez. Rosario is not elite yet but as far as riding talent, I perfer Rosario slightly ahead of Ramon.

RockHardTen1985 01-22-2010 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by eajinabi
Now, I did not say he sucks. I only mentioned Russel Baze, and Clinton Potts because these are other jocks that win a lot at high percentage but when given the oppurtunity to step up thier game in Big Races, they are a No-Show. However, to put Ramon him in the level of Gomez, Leparoux, Desourmaux etc. is not merited yet.

Just like Dominguez, Rosario is a rising star but he is more than a decade younger and has much much less riding experience than Dominguez. Rosario is not elite yet but as far as riding talent, I perfer Rosario slightly ahead of Ramon.
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eajinabi 01-22-2010 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by MaTH716
Obviously he isn't beating the cream of the crop now. Most of the jocks flee NY when they move on to the inner. Then they start migrating back when they move back to the main track. But what about Saratoga and the titles for the 2 Belmont meets? Those count for nothing? Someone mentioned it before, I also think the fact that he doesn't ride first call for guys lke Pletcher, Kiran, Baffert etc..... hurts him in some of the bigger races. But I really think he is a guy who is on the cusp of exploding and trainers will be wanting him to fly in to ride their horses all over the country. He's on his way to that next level.
I am not sure who is agent is but something tells me he needs to switch. He has proven he can win Jockey titles but now he can start proving he can earn and win those big races. When rosario first started riding in So. Cal he was indeed a talent but when Vic started becoming his agent, he secured better mounts for him. An agent switch for Dominguez could indeed secure relationships with better trainers.

eajinabi 01-22-2010 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985
STOP
Whats your problem?

Gaining Ground 01-22-2010 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by eajinabi
I am not sure who is agent is but something tells me he needs to switch. He has proven he can win Jockey titles but now he can start proving he can earn and win those big races. When rosario first started riding in So. Cal he was indeed a talent but when Vic started becoming his agent, he secured better mounts for him. An agent switch for Dominguez could indeed secure relationships with better trainers.
he won 5 grade 1's last year. how many grade 1's in a year puts you in elite company?

NTamm1215 01-22-2010 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by eajinabi
I am not sure who is agent is but something tells me he needs to switch. He has proven he can win Jockey titles but now he can start proving he can earn and win those big races. When rosario first started riding in So. Cal he was indeed a talent but when Vic started becoming his agent, he secured better mounts for him. An agent switch for Dominguez could indeed secure relationships with better trainers.
This post just shows how completely out of touch you are with this entire scenario. You want a guy who won the riding title at every f*ing meet in NY to change agents? You know what, you might not think Dominguez is elite, but I bet the elite amount of money he put in his pocket after winning 300+ races and 5 Grade I's is fine.

JHC, his agent comes to NY and orchestrates one of the strongest years in 30and you want the guy to fire him.

What is this based on? Because he hasn't won a TC race? Someone already brought up neither has Leparoux or Gomez. No one's saying Dominguez is better than Bailey, or Stevens, or McCarron, or Pincay. He's still pretty damn good.

NT

Rudeboyelvis 01-22-2010 10:31 PM
His botched ride on Old Fashioned in the Rebel last year forced us all to endure delusional Win Willy fans for a few weeks.

That in itself is cause enough to hate him.

RockHardTen1985 01-22-2010 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by eajinabi
Whats your problem?
Watch his ride vs Mcvictory yesterday at the Big A.
Watch every single horse he rides even if he does not win, Ramon always finds the rail and is always in prime position to strike... Watch his ride on WH tomorrow at Gulfstream, I here he's going to trip out.

eajinabi 01-22-2010 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985
Watch his ride vs Mcvictory yesterday at the Big A.
Watch every single horse he rides even if he does not win, Ramon always finds the rail and is always in prime position to strike... Watch his ride on WH tomorrow at Gulfstream, I here he's going to trip out.
Thanks for the tip!

LARHAGE 01-23-2010 01:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Gaining Ground
he won 5 grade 1's last year. how many grade 1's in a year puts you in elite company?
Gomez won 13 Grade 1's and Leparoux won 10.

Gaining Ground 01-23-2010 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by LARHAGE
Gomez won 13 Grade 1's and Leparoux won 10.
thats why i said top three. i think gomez, leparoux and dominguez would be the consensus top 3. i just think dominguez is the best day in day out.

theMOUSSEisloose 01-23-2010 04:13 PM
he came, he saw, he conquered.

NTamm1215 01-23-2010 04:13 PM
Man, what a s.hitty ride by Ramon there. He can't win stakes races.

NT

Gaining Ground 01-23-2010 04:14 PM
dominguez just showed why he's the best around in the holy bull.

eajinabi 01-23-2010 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by NTamm1215
Man, what a s.hitty ride by Ramon there. He can't win stakes races.

NT
Haha. I am glad you feel you need to find some redemption by posting that.

eajinabi 01-23-2010 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Gaining Ground
dominguez just showed why he's the best around in the holy bull.
I got to admit that was one helluva ride. He sat patient and instead of opting to go wide he sat chill and waited for an opening and took it and won.

eajinabi 01-23-2010 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985
Watch his ride vs Mcvictory yesterday at the Big A.
Watch every single horse he rides even if he does not win, Ramon always finds the rail and is always in prime position to strike... Watch his ride on WH tomorrow at Gulfstream, I here he's going to trip out.
And again Thanks for the tip!!!

NTamm1215 01-23-2010 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by eajinabi
Haha. I am glad you feel you need to find some redemption by posting that.
After some of what you said about him, you can count on it.

NT

eajinabi 01-23-2010 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by NTamm1215
After some of what you said about him, you can count on it.

NT

I hope you bet him and made some money or does just seeing him winning give you more satisfaction? Either way, its all good.

johnny pinwheel 01-24-2010 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Gaining Ground
dominguez just showed why he's the best around in the holy bull.
i find redemption in it....funny how he split horses and schooled the pack. and theres this thread that started putting him down. i imagine he would be one of the leading riders at gulfstream if he chose to ride there. yeah, keep dissing him..all i know is where ever he goes he wins. no love for ramon in florida is the name of the thread...well they would not know a good jockey if he won races every day at every track he rides on. oh yeah, thats what he does already . he really stinks.....lol

eajinabi 01-24-2010 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel
i find redemption in it....funny how he split horses and schooled the pack. and theres this thread that started putting him down. i imagine he would be one of the leading riders at gulfstream if he chose to ride there. yeah, keep dissing him..all i know is where ever he goes he wins. no love for ramon in florida is the name of the thread...well they would not know a good jockey if he won races every day at every track he rides on. oh yeah, thats what he does already . he really stinks.....lol
He wins a G3 and you find redemption? You are easlily amused. Maybe you should wait till Jan 2011 when he might win the eclipse for other reasons besides winning Jockey Titles. Then you can re-post your message.
Granted it was a great ride in the Holy Bull but I still hold my opinon about him as him not being an Elite jockey yet.

blackthroatedwind 01-24-2010 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by eajinabi
but I still hold my opinon about him as him not being an Elite jockey yet.
We really didn't need any further proof that you don't have a clue....but thanks anyway.

eajinabi 01-24-2010 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
We really didn't need any further proof that you don't have a clue....but thanks anyway.

Another useless and pointless response by you. Keep it up.


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