interesting. you can't call it a war, treat them as enemy soldiers, and then not follow the geneva conventions. we signed it, we have to follow it. now, if you contend they aren't soldiers, but are criminals, we would then not treat them as combatants and they would be due a day in our criminal courts.

Exactaly!

Perfectaly stated!

I never contended they were criminals , if you look at my post I said clearly they had declared war on us. I said they should not be treated as regular killers.....I never said they werent soldiers , in fact I stated we should have bombed all their countries. The f****ers want us all dead , I wish we really would have just let our men in the field blow them away.

??? Obama has zero to do with this. What he thinks doesn't matter a whit.

Like most everything he says.

But that is the point. If you are saying that they are soldiers, we would have to treat them like soldiers and respect the rules of the geneva convention. You can't have it both ways.

Your right .....you have me . I dont care if they have any rights , I dont care if they get a fair trial or anything else. I wish they were dead and the faster it can happen the better I like it. I wish we would have bombed all the countries that they came from . Alas , Im not the boss and maybe its better that Im not . I have no bad feelings about anything that has happened to these people , just like I dont have any bad feelings about the Nazi concetration camp gaurds being shot on the spot when our guys found them.

they weren't. which is the point.

we had the nuremberg trials.

Holder is the attny general under whose watch these people will be tried. Obama is his boss. Are you seeing the connection here?

actually, at dachau alone there were about 480 guards killed by g.i.'s when they liberated the camp.

If Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is acquitted, it will be the end of the Obama presidency. While we conservatives cannot wait for this guy to leave office, the ripple effects of this is not good for the country.

there is no way this mofo is acquitted. no way. though they are going about it horribly wrong and the whole country knows it. I mean... try these guys right down from where they towers fell? Give them a voice in a town they hurt so much? its sick and a horrible decision and holder/obama are and will feel the correct backlash.

with that said.. with the whole muslim "martyr" thing and mohammed basically saying he wants to be a martyr.. we should just lock him up for life in isolation in the worst place you can find. spend the rest of his life in a room with no one else and no one to talk to or brainwash. thats better than just killing him.

http://www.scrapbookpages.com/dachau...ardTowerB.html

you're right. i didn't know that.

those executions were clearly unprosecuted war crimes.

i do note that the captured guards who weren't executed did get a trial.

Maybe we can get him to try on a pair of gloves found at the scene. Remember O.J.?

Seriously, was he mirandized? He's being tried in a civilian court as provided for in Article III of the Constitution. If he was not read his rights prior to any questioning as a suspect -- automatic mistrial. Our president is supposedly a constitutional expert, and his Attorney General certainly should be as well, so they must realize this.

It is either a fair trial, or it is a show trial. If it's a fair trial, there is a nonzero probability that he will get acquitted or get a mistrial. If it's a show trial, then the proponents of doing this are trampling on the Constitution, and the very world opinion they are trying to court will turn against them.

And this man was pleading guilty and asking for the death penalty under the Uniform Code of Military Justice where the military tribunal would have rightfully handled the case. This is all for nothing. He is not a citizen and is not entitled to Constitutional rights.

not one of our prouder moments as a fighting force. but i can't really say that i feel terrible about it either. but that's the bloodthirsty eye-for-an-eye in me coming out. i cannot begin to imagine what that must have felt like when they entered dachau and found what they found. whoever was in charge should have taken full responsibility. he obviously let his men get out of control, and that's squarely on his shoulders.

Here's how and why two Bush deputy-assistant attorney generals support Holder's decision, citing how the feds have already successfully prosecuted - and locked up for life - previous terrorists. And some arguments why federal court is better than using military courts.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...d=opinionsbox1

Don't kid yourself......Holder is a pansy!

The connection is that the President, other than appointment, has zero influence (however, look during the second Bush term, which introduced serious questions of illegal influence). Remember Watergate? Even the most lawbreaking President's recourse is pretty much only to fire them.

To accuse the current Executive branch of collusion with the AG is a pretty heavy accusation.

THINK "CHICAGO"

It's not collusion. It's chain of command. The Attorney General serves at the pleasure of the president as part of his cabinet. What you are seeing, by virtue of his being allowed to continue in the job, is the president's will.

Perception was one of the key reasons stated as to why they would be tried in Federal rather than military court. You seriously think that the rest of the world is going to believe that these guys got a fair trial unless they are acquitted? I know if they were in Russia and Putin or his puppet President said he thought they would be executed before the trail I would have serious doubts that the trial was remotely fair regardless of the guilt of the accused. Same for China or just about any country.

The reality of a situation and the perception are often far apart. Obama's statemnts make it look like he knows what the outcome will be prior to the trial. He should have said some gibberish about believing in the American justice system. But lets face it, the polls dont like the decision and he hates being on the wrong side of those. So he "assured" the unhappy citizens that executions will be held. Prior to the trial being held.

the president can certainly fire the a.g. if he wants.

i think riot's point (and she can correct me if i'm wrong) is that the a.g. in particular is supposed to have an arm's length relationship with the white house to avoid the fact or appearence of political interference in his/her decision's.

you only need to go back as far as the incompetent and gutless alberto gonzales to see why you need a strong individual to stand up against any inappropriate attempts by the white house to interfere in or direct the a.g.'s decisions.

it's appropriate and expected that the secretary of state sometimes receives direction from the white house. it's completely inapproriate and anti-democratic for the nations prosecutor in chief to do so.

Reno time!

Set the churches afire!

News flash. O'Dumbass rating drops to below %50. Lets impeach this imbecile before he really ruins this great country of ours and it will take many years to unscrew his mess.

lack of popularity isn't an impeachable offense.

I love this new bumper sticker that is being sold:

One
Big
Ass
Mistake
America

Dude..everyone here knows you are a right wing redneck and a Veteran who wants our President dead, but can you try and post something besides hate? Maybe a solution to what you feel are our economic issues?

Vote None of the Above 2010

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Oh, the other haters are far ahead of you, with the Psalm "pray for Obama" assassination-hope stuff. I personally hope they are all terribly inconvenienced by the FBI for a few hours each.

First off I wouldnt wish death on anyone even on a person like you. I might be right wing person but how does that make me a redneck? Im sure your one of the millions who believed in O'Dumbass lies. Yes I am proud to be a Veteran, its a great accomplishment. I guess you cant accept the truth and would rather see this country go down the crappers. Im sure you feel illegals should get free health care.

I wouldnt wish for the Pres to get assassinated. Im not that low of a person. Im sure GBBob thinks I am though. But this is America and we are all entiled to our opinions.

About the only thing he got right was that I am a Veteran.

I laughed.

Makes me think he supports O'Dumbass and probably feels that people should get get handouts when it comes to health insurance. He probably believes that a person not working and not looking for a job but can work should have his health insurance paid for by the taxpayers.

They already are!

I wanted to give credit where credit was due

gotcha

I get it!
His name his Obama....and you think he is a dumb ass.....so you combine the two and get.....O'Dumbass!
Comic gold dude!
Please make sure that you continue including this clever construction in EVERY SINGLE ONE of your posts.