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Antitrust32 10-29-2009 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by gales0678
explain it to me how they are here without lee? i don't see it , pedro is your 2nd starter , hamels stinks , blanton stinks , if you don't have lee how are you even in the playoffs???


ok last post until after lunch break.

WE ARE THE DEFENDING WORLD FREAKING CHAMPIONS GALES!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pedro has been lights out. Hamels was the MVP of the World Series last year! He's had a rough year no doubt! Blanton is a bulldog.. you can say he sucks all you want but he's and iron horse and has been great for our team. Happ won like 12 or more games and was voted rookie of the year by his PEERS. Moyer won a ton of games and he's over the hill!!!

We blew 17 fucl<ing saves and STILL won the NL East!

There's these guys, I dont know if you have ever heard of them but their names are:

Jimmy Rollins
Shane Victorino
Chase "Fucl< You" Utley
Ryan "Just get me to the plate, boys" Howard
Jason "Anything Chase and Ryan can do I can do also" Werth
Raul Ibanez
Pedro Feliz (ok he isnt that great but he fields very well)
Carlos "Mr Red and White October" Ruiz

I suggest you look into these guys. Maybe you will come to understand there is more to baseball then just the guys on the mound. oh yeah, the guys on the mound also already have rings that have like 106 diamonds in it.

MaTH716 10-29-2009 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by gales0678
no pedro has no shot tonight timmy , burnett has some chance that is why the yanks are -170

You logic is baffeling. Now I know why so many people hate Yankees fans.

gales0678 10-29-2009 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Gander
Sigh. Again, you arent getting my point. Pedro is getting way too much attention. He can allow 6 runs and the Yankees can still lose if the wild Burnett shows up. I think this is going to be an offensive shootout tonight.
There is no way this game will be decided by the 2 guys starting.

Stop talking about Pedro!


agreed , aj can blow up today , the phillies could win and the yanks could go down 2-0 you are correct

Gander 10-29-2009 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by gales0678
agreed , aj can blow up today , the phillies could win and the yanks could go down 2-0 you are correct

And then all the focus will be on Cole Hamels. Sigh. Its never about the Yankees starter...they're just a given to go out and shut the other team down. The only focus is on the inferior Philly one, right. I get it.

horseofcourse 10-29-2009 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
ok last post until after lunch break.

WE ARE THE DEFENDING WORLD FREAKING CHAMPIONS GALES!!!!!!!!!!!!

We blew 17 fucl<ing saves and STILL won the NL East!

.

That. That Lidge went 0-8 with 11 blown saves with a 7 ERA and the team won 93 games still...speaks to just how incredibly talented they are. Lidge gets a lifetime pass in Philly with his perfect 2008, and he has pitched well in postseason this year. But anyone who is surprised by anything this team does hasn't paid attention. They are by the way 4-2 in non-Lee pitched postseason games this year.

Gander 10-29-2009 10:54 AM

[quote=horseofcourse]That. That Lidge went 0-8 with 11 blown saves with a 7 ERA and the team won 93 games still...speaks to just how incredibly talented they are. Lidge gets a lifetime pass in Philly with his perfect 2008, and he has pitched well in postseason this year. But anyone who is surprised by anything this team does hasn't paid attention. They are by the way 4-2 in non-Lee pitched postseason games this year.[/QUOTE]

My point exactly. Too much focus on the starters and not enough on the guys hitting scoring the runs. How about some talk about Ryan Howard? The guy has been en fuego for the last 3 weeks. His swing is like Juniors...smooth as butter.

gales0678 10-29-2009 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by horseofcourse
That. That Lidge went 0-8 with 11 blown saves with a 7 ERA and the team won 93 games still...speaks to just how incredibly talented they are. Lidge gets a lifetime pass in Philly with his perfect 2008, and he has pitched well in postseason this year. But anyone who is surprised by anything this team does hasn't paid attention. They are by the way 4-2 in non-Lee pitched postseason games this year.


yes but pedro has only pitched out in la , does anyone not believe the cold does not affrect him , it affected him in his younger days , why won't it affect him at 38 ?

hamels started 2 games against the dodgers and 1 game against the rockies and stunk in all 3




the game that blanton started against la was blown by broxton in the 9th , he stinks too in big spots , does rivera have a better chance of winning that game with a lead in the 9th then broxton , what do you think

the 2 wins in cloroado (1 start with lee) had the rockies closer - street blow both games , does rivera blow those games???

my opinion is that the yanks have better starting ptiching than the phillies and while anything can happen in a 7 game series , i think pedro gets shelled tonight , i think hamels gets shelled in game 3 and i think blanton has no chance in a game 4 ....... burnett , petitie could get shelled , gaudin will get shelled , so we could be at 2-2 heading into game 5 or 3-1 yanks heading into game 5 , even if lee wins game 5 , we still have the edge in 6 +7

Antitrust32 10-29-2009 11:01 AM

^^^

Still winning games before they are even played

(hey guess what, if we get shelled like you say we will in game 2 and 3 who do you think will be pitching game 4??) :p

horseofcourse 10-29-2009 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by gales0678
yes but pedro has only pitched out in la , does anyone not believe the cold does not affrect him , it affected him in his younger days , why won't it affect him at 38 ?

hamels started 2 games against the dodgers and 1 game against the rockies and stunk in all 3




the game that blanton started against la was blown by broxton in the 9th , he stinks too in big spots , does rivera have a better chance of winning that game with a lead in the 9th then broxton , what do you think

the 2 wins in cloroado (1 start with lee) had the rockies closer - street blow both games , does rivera blow those games???

my opinion is that the yanks have better starting ptiching than the phillies and while anything can happen in a 7 game series , i think pedro gets shelled tonight , i think hamels gets shelled in game 3 and i think blanton has no chance in a game 4 ....... burnett , petitie could get shelled , gaudin will get shelled , so we could be at 2-2 heading into game 5 or 3-1 yanks heading into game 5 , even if lee wins game 5 , we still have the edge in 6 +7

The Yankees are very good and certainly could win 4 straight. Winning game 1 is big. Every game one winner has won the series this postseason, and the last several World Series'. The series is far from over, but advantage Phils right now for sure. But honestly, do you really think Burnett has any less chance of getting shelled than Martinez or Hamels?? Pettite is a postseason stud...but it is unlikely he goes more than 6...7 is the absolute max for him. The way Hughes and Chamberlain are throwing, that would worry me considerably. That was the big problem last night....the bullpen...has been all postseason minus Mariano.

Smooth Operator 10-29-2009 11:20 AM

This just in … Cliff Lee is pretty good. lol


Was HIGHLY entertaining watching him make A-Roid look like the eight hitter on the local high school team.


And how 'bout that Utley … going yard twice with a two-strike count … and on their big lefty, no less.



What's that I hear in the distance…


Pay-dro

Pay-dro

PAY-DRO



SHOW TIME, old man :cool:

MaTH716 10-29-2009 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator
This just in … Cliff Lee is pretty good. lol


Was HIGHLY entertaining watching him make A-Roid look like the eight hitter on the local high school team.


And how 'bout that Utley … going yard twice with a two-strike count … and on their big lefty, no less.



What's that I hear in the distance…


Pay-dro

Pay-dro

PAY-DRO



SHOW TIME, old man :cool:

It's official, this thread has hit ROCK BOTTOM!

Cannon Shell 10-29-2009 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716
Oh boy, the Yankees pen looks like it may cause major heartache in the Bronx. They better either get 8 innings out of their starters or have 7 run leads late in games.

Same goes for Philly

Cannon Shell 10-29-2009 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Gander
You are already thinking about losing tonight? Thats not a very confident fan talking. I think the key to this series is Game 3. Whoever wins that game wins the series.

Utley is some kind of guy, aint he? As modest as the Northeast winters are long. And people wonder why A Rod is so hated and Utley is so loved?

The key game is tonight. The Yankees dont want to go to Philly down 0-2 knowing Lee is sitting there in game 4.

Smooth Operator 10-29-2009 01:39 PM

Crafty old man is well rested and coming off a very nice effort in L.A.


Pressure ON in NY



Looks like a must win for those "Bombers"




Is A-Roid starting to hear footsteps again, MaTH716??? lol

MaTH716 10-29-2009 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator
Crafty old man is well rested and coming off a very nice effort in L.A.


Pressure ON in NY



Looks like a must win for those "Bombers"




Is A-Roid starting to hear footsteps again, MaTH716??? lol

He can't carry the whole team by himself. Sometimes you just have to tip your hat to a guy that delivers a brilliant performance. Cliff Lee was that guy last night. Tonight's a brand new ball game.

Cannon Shell 10-29-2009 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by gales0678
cc is better than lee - he wasn't last night but overall he is a little better

burnett is better than pedro by a larger margin than the above

pettite is better than hamels by a larger margin than both of the above

i personally don't think pedro can pitch in the cold anymore , it will be in the 50's come game time , if he goes the full 5 against this lineup i will be shocked

At some point you will figure out that pitchers face opposing teams lineups, not other pitchers.

Lee handled the yankees better than CC did the Phils. Who is better, was better, will be better doesnt matter.

Cannon Shell 10-29-2009 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Gander
Its baseball, not tennis. Pitching matchups mean very little, especially in the post season. It does not matter who is better than who by the smallest of margins. As important as pitching is, there is more to winning baseball games.

And last night it wasnt Cliff Lee vs CC Sabbathia. What a joke, the 2 didnt face each other. It was played in an American League Stadium and the pitchers dont even bat. Even if it was played in Philadelphia and bothe pitchers batted 3-4 times, big deal. Its the other 25 batters that these guys are facing, not each other.

I hate the cliche of pitching matchups. Its really dumb when you think about it. The way people talked about CC vs Cliff Lee, you would think they were talking about 2 guys facing off in the finals of Wimbledon with nobody else factoring into the outcome.

:tro:

Cannon Shell 10-29-2009 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by gales0678
yes i have - all against NL teams, not 1 start did he have to face a full 9 man lineup

how many times has he pitched when the game time temp was in the 50's ?

The guy pitched in Montreal, Boston and NY. I'm sure he has pitched in the cold a time or 2

Cannon Shell 10-29-2009 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
I really hope Pedro is in Red and White next year. We have enough starters to not have to beat the crap out of him with the amount of innings pitched.

But enough about next year. I'm ready for tonite!

You want him on the Reds? I thought you liked him.

Cannon Shell 10-29-2009 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by gales0678
explain it to me how they are here without lee? i don't see it , pedro is your 2nd starter , hamels stinks , blanton stinks , if you don't have lee how are you even in the playoffs???

You think the Yankees are here without Sabathia and Teixeira and Burnett?

You know the 1/2 billion they spent last off season?

Cannon Shell 10-29-2009 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by gales0678
yes but pedro has only pitched out in la , does anyone not believe the cold does not affrect him , it affected him in his younger days , why won't it affect him at 38 ?

hamels started 2 games against the dodgers and 1 game against the rockies and stunk in all 3




the game that blanton started against la was blown by broxton in the 9th , he stinks too in big spots , does rivera have a better chance of winning that game with a lead in the 9th then broxton , what do you think

the 2 wins in cloroado (1 start with lee) had the rockies closer - street blow both games , does rivera blow those games???

my opinion is that the yanks have better starting ptiching than the phillies and while anything can happen in a 7 game series , i think pedro gets shelled tonight , i think hamels gets shelled in game 3 and i think blanton has no chance in a game 4 ....... burnett , petitie could get shelled , gaudin will get shelled , so we could be at 2-2 heading into game 5 or 3-1 yanks heading into game 5 , even if lee wins game 5 , we still have the edge in 6 +7

uh Gales it isnt a 7 game series anymore. It is a 3 game series for the yankees. If they lose tonight it is a 2 game series. If they are down 0-3 it is a 1 game series.

SniperSB23 10-29-2009 02:10 PM

The thing you have to worry about with Burnett is that he is a high WHIP guy. High WHIP guys can get away with it against bad teams as they can get out weak hitters who don't take advantage of the men on base. Against better hitting teams high WHIP guys tend to give up more runs. This is pretty evident with Burnett who got killed this year by Boston, Philly, and Baltimore while dominating KC, Seattle, Florida, and the Mets. If Burnett can't control his WHIP and puts men on base the Phillies will take advantage.

Cannon Shell 10-29-2009 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
The thing you have to worry about with Burnett is that he is a high WHIP guy. High WHIP guys can get away with it against bad teams as they can get out weak hitters who don't take advantage of the men on base. Against better hitting teams high WHIP guys tend to give up more runs. This is pretty evident with Burnett who got killed this year by Boston, Philly, and Baltimore while dominating KC, Seattle, Florida, and the Mets. If Burnett can't control his WHIP and puts men on base the Phillies will take advantage.

good point. The way the umps call the game tonight will be a factor. If they squeeze the zone, it will be 9-7.

nebrady 10-29-2009 02:29 PM

You yankee fans think its all about you. Give the phillies credit! They are the defending champs. They have won on the road all season, they have four hitters who have hit over 30 home runs and have rollins and victorino who get on before their monster hitters. Pitching has been great even with hamels not being hamels. You should realize pedro has been here before and is looking forward to playing the yankees. Did you see how he pitched against the dodgers? Not to mention they never give up. They battle to the last strike and have come from behind all season. So yankee boy wake to reality your team is about to lose to a real champ! Who may become a dynasty in the making. Enjoy a roid and all those chumps that money can buy! Get ready to cry like steinbrenner!

gales0678 10-29-2009 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by nebrady
You yankee fans think its all about you. Give the phillies credit! They are the defending champs. They have won on the road all season, they have four hitters who have hit over 30 home runs and have rollins and victorino who get on before their monster hitters. Pitching has been great even with hamels not being hamels. You should realize pedro has been here before and is looking forward to playing the yankees. Did you see how he pitched against the dodgers? Not to mention they never give up. They battle to the last strike and have come from behind all season. So yankee boy wake to reality your team is about to lose to a real champ! Who may become a dynasty in the making. Enjoy a roid and all those chumps that money can buy! Get ready to cry like steinbrenner!


will see tonight big edge to yankee starter , i will offer anyone the same bet i offered anti trust - pedro does not make 5 full innings tonight

Crown@club 10-29-2009 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by gales0678
what do you mean ? was that not there best pitcher last night, do you really expect pedro and hamels to pitch like lee???

burnett is better than pedro
pettite is better than hamels

i wouldn't trade starters with you in the next 2 games

BAH HA HA - is Halloween around the corner?

gales0678 10-29-2009 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Crown@club
BAH HA HA - is Halloween around the corner?

look at form , hamels stunk against la twice and the rockies

Antitrust32 10-29-2009 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by gales0678
look at form , hamels stunk against la twice and the rockies


take your own advice and check out Pedro's form

gales0678 10-29-2009 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
take your own advice and check out Pedro's form


hammered by atl and was , good against LA , now 1st start against an AL team

Gander 10-29-2009 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by gales0678
hammered by atl and was , good against LA , now 1st start against an AL team

Its more important how Burnett pitches, and for how long Burnett lasts. Good grief, your team is the one who lost game 1 and needs this game. Your bullpen sucks right now minus the Sandman. For the Yankees to win this game, they need to be focused on shutting down the 2 guys that killed you last night rather than worry about some guy named Pedro...For one moment, forget about his history and all his Cy Youngs. Hes just a pitcher trying to give his team a chance to win. You're looking way too far into this.

Antitrust32 10-29-2009 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by gales0678
hammered by atl and was , good against LA , now 1st start against an AL team


yeah, i mean he's only started in about 35,849 games against AL teams, and won 3 AL Cy Young awards, so he for sure wont know what he's up against! :rolleyes:

gales0678 10-29-2009 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Gander
Its more important how Burnett pitches, and for how long Burnett lasts. Good grief, your team is the one who lost game 1 and needs this game. Your bullpen sucks right now minus the Sandman. For the Yankees to win this game, they need to be focused on shutting down the 2 guys that killed you last night rather than worry about some guy named Pedro...For one moment, forget about his history and all his Cy Youngs. Hes just a pitcher trying to give his team a chance to win. You're looking way too far into this.


im told not to worry , the yanks will jog tonight

Gander 10-29-2009 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by gales0678
im told not to worry , the yanks will jog tonight

Who told you that?

I think they win too.

Antitrust32 10-29-2009 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by gales0678
im told not to worry , the yanks will jog tonight


And I am one happy girl knowing you feel this way! Just hope RHT chimes in too.

Antitrust32 10-29-2009 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Gander
Who told you that?

I think they win too.


the voices in his head. or Oracle. one of the two, or both... heck they may be the same thing!

MaTH716 10-29-2009 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
yeah, i mean he's only started in about 35,849 games against AL teams, and won 3 AL Cy Young awards, so he for sure wont know what he's up against! :rolleyes:

Yeah, but how many of those games came with it south of 47 degrees on the thermometer?
:rolleyes:

SCUDSBROTHER 10-29-2009 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by gales0678

the game that blanton started against la was blown by broxton in the 9th , he stinks too in big spots , does rivera have a better chance of winning that game with a lead in the 9th then broxton , what do you think

Who is this Broxton individual? He stinks in what spot?

gales0678 10-29-2009 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
Who is this Broxton individual? He stinks in what spot?


game 4 nlcs this year , series should have been 2-2

Antitrust32 10-29-2009 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716
Yeah, but how many of those games came with it south of 47 degrees on the thermometer?
:rolleyes:


I know right.. It doesnt get cold in Fenway or Shea :D

Oh wait... the Shea guys didnt make it to October! LOL oh i crack myself up..

NTamm1215 10-29-2009 03:36 PM

I'm finding it funny that Pedro's ability to win this game against his "daddy" is being questioned because of the weather.

NT


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