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freddymo 09-15-2009 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
Wow!

Hip 280, a Giant's Causeway filly from a really nice Golden Eagle Farm family just went for 5k!

I hope PG got that one for a pet!

RNA is RNA no matter if its 5 or 5mil

Indian Charlie 09-15-2009 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
RNA is RNA no matter if its 5 or 5mil

I realize that of course, but still, 5k for a GC filly? Nobody could muster up 6k?

Sightseek 09-15-2009 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
I have $5 if you want to pick up any of these horses:


http://www.foaltrack.com/FoalDetail.aspx?FoalID=4388

This one RNA'd for $70K. I was so close!

Sightseek 09-15-2009 12:08 PM

It wasn't an RNA - the horse really went for 5K.

Indian Charlie 09-15-2009 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
It wasn't an RNA - the horse really went for 5K.

Yeah, you just beat me to it!

Breaking Point Farm. Anyone familiar?

Sightseek 09-15-2009 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
Yeah, you just beat me to it!

Breaking Point Farm. Anyone familiar?

It's not a terrible looking horse either:

http://www.foaltrack.com/FoalDetail.aspx?FoalId=4390

He must have serious issues?

Indian Charlie 09-15-2009 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
It's not a terrible looking horse either:

http://www.foaltrack.com/FoalDetail.aspx?FoalId=4390

He must have serious issues?

Must have something seriously wrong.

Why was he in book two though?

I once saw an Unbridled - Life's Magic sell for 5k at a yearling sale as well, so I guess this shouldn't be too surprising.

Sightseek 09-15-2009 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
Must have something seriously wrong.

Why was he in book two though?

I once saw an Unbridled - Life's Magic sell for 5k at a yearling sale as well, so I guess this shouldn't be too surprising.

He's in book one, just session 2 of the select portion of the sale.

Maybe he'll avenge the shame of selling for 5K and win the BC Turf in a few years.

Indian Charlie 09-15-2009 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
He's in book one, just session 2 of the select portion of the sale.

Maybe he'll avenge the shame of selling for 5K and win the BC Turf in a few years.

Yeah, that's what I meant.

I noticed an EQ that RNA'd for 0 too a short time later.

The Indomitable DrugS 09-15-2009 01:27 PM

There's an Idaho bred 2-year-old in Northern Cal named Our Minesweeper who is 3-for-3 with a pair of stakes wins.

The wins coming going 4fs on synthetic ... 6f on dirt ... and one mile on synthetic.

Since 2006, the current trainer is just 31 for 454 (6%) with a $1.23 ROI in route races.

Might be a nice cheapie to buy up and give to Dutrow or Wolfson ....

The sire is an unraced son of Giant's Causeway named Cause Ur Mine.

Linny 09-15-2009 01:27 PM

If the horse made Book 1, he must not be a total mess, conformation-wise. Of course, he could have bad radiographs or not have scoped well, but that's pretty pathetic.

Indian Charlie 09-15-2009 01:35 PM

The Storm Cat - Fleet Indian popped for 2 mil and 50k.

Sightseek 09-15-2009 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
The Storm Cat - Fleet Indian popped for 2 mil and 50k.

That was my favorite from the photos. :{>:

Clip-Clop 09-15-2009 01:59 PM

Where are the Medaglia D'oro and Birdstones?

Sightseek 09-15-2009 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop
Where are the Medaglia D'oro and Birdstones?

Several M D'O's have gone through the ring already pricing in the 200-300K range.

Linny 09-15-2009 02:08 PM

No Birdstones made the Select session. I'm sure there will be some in later books.

Indian Charlie 09-15-2009 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
That was my favorite from the photos. :{>:

Well, yeah. Besides all the yearlings in the sale sired by IC, that was the best bred horse in the entire sale.

Sightseek 09-15-2009 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
Well, yeah. Besides all the yearlings in the sale sired by IC, that was the best bred horse in the entire sale.

pedigree-wise I would take the Justenuffheart (sold for 350K).

Indian Charlie 09-15-2009 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
pedigree-wise I would take the Justenuffheart (sold for 350K).

I think the breeding industry is starting to catch up to me from 1997 when I told Barry Irwin IC would be worth tens of millions of dollars one day and that he should put an offer in on him while he was still a two year old.

He said something to the effect that he is a calbred with the head of a donkey.

It seems likely now that more breeders see how important a sire and likely broodmare sire he's going to be. Only one other stallion this decade moves his mares up as well as he does (Distorted Humor being the other) and I suspect that his mares will start becoming a lot more sought after.

What he's done at stud so far is pretty amazing, considering that about 80-90% of the mares sent to him his first few years were either unraced or unplaced. Some crazy percentage anyways, if not quite that high.

So? The 2 mil sales topper does indeed have the best pedigree!

The Indomitable DrugS 09-15-2009 03:42 PM

Shut up.

Danzig 09-15-2009 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
pedigree-wise I would take the Justenuffheart (sold for 350K).


she's my pick for broodmare of the year. but i don't think it matters! :D

Sightseek 09-15-2009 03:58 PM

Totals For Session


Year No Head
Sold Gross Amount Average Price Median Price
2008 146 57,310,000 392,534 300,000
2009 115 33,807,000 293,974 250,000

Indian Charlie 09-15-2009 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Shut up.

Clearly he was no Wills Way, Formal Gold, or Skip Away!

Riot 09-15-2009 04:02 PM

It was pretty scary around 11:00am - you could've fired a shotgun through there and not hit a soul. Got much better. Take out all of Sheik Mo's purchases over time. What a different industry this would be. I think he's personally holding this particular sale together so far.

Leading Buyers by Gross

Buyer Number of Head Sold Average Gross
John Ferguson 31 434,193 13,460,000
Shadwell Estate Company, Ltd. 8 489,375 3,915,000
D. L. O'Byrne 5 596,000 2,980,000
Blandford Bloodstock 11 249,272 2,742,000
Westrock Stables, LLC 4 383,750 1,535,000
Baccari Bloodstock for BesiLu 2 667,500 1,335,000
Live Oak Plantation 3 405,000 1,215,000
Brushwood Stable 2 552,500 1,105,000
Robert Baker & William Mack 3 341,666 1,025,000
Mike Ryan, Agent 5 198,000 990,000

freddymo 09-15-2009 04:32 PM

Hip 325 RNA at 775k is someone who had no interest in selling. I figured that would be a filly that would be a must have..775k RNA in this market..she must look terrific.

Antitrust32 09-15-2009 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
It was pretty scary around 11:00am - you could've fired a shotgun through there and not hit a soul. Got much better. Take out all of Sheik Mo's purchases over time. What a different industry this would be. I think he's personally holding this particular sale together so far.

Leading Buyers by Gross

Buyer Number of Head Sold Average Gross
John Ferguson 31 434,193 13,460,000
Shadwell Estate Company, Ltd. 8 489,375 3,915,000
D. L. O'Byrne 5 596,000 2,980,000
Blandford Bloodstock 11 249,272 2,742,000
Westrock Stables, LLC 4 383,750 1,535,000
Baccari Bloodstock for BesiLu 2 667,500 1,335,000
Live Oak Plantation 3 405,000 1,215,000
Brushwood Stable 2 552,500 1,105,000
Robert Baker & William Mack 3 341,666 1,025,000
Mike Ryan, Agent 5 198,000 990,000


that is the newbe to the game who bought with flying colors. They are really jumping into this industry head first!!

they bought #378 Storm Cat/ Lotta Dancing for $460K

and #400 Unbridled's Song / Ocean Drive for $875K

good for them!

freddymo 09-15-2009 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
that is the newbe to the game who bought with flying colors. They are really jumping into this industry head first!!

they bought #378 Storm Cat/ Lotta Dancing for $460K

and #400 Unbridled's Song / Ocean Drive for $875K

good for them!

I am sure they paid more for With Flying Colors

freddymo 09-15-2009 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
It was pretty scary around 11:00am - you could've fired a shotgun through there and not hit a soul. Got much better. Take out all of Sheik Mo's purchases over time. What a different industry this would be. I think he's personally holding this particular sale together so far.

Leading Buyers by Gross

Buyer Number of Head Sold Average Gross
John Ferguson 31 434,193 13,460,000
Shadwell Estate Company, Ltd. 8 489,375 3,915,000
D. L. O'Byrne 5 596,000 2,980,000
Blandford Bloodstock 11 249,272 2,742,000
Westrock Stables, LLC 4 383,750 1,535,000
Baccari Bloodstock for BesiLu 2 667,500 1,335,000
Live Oak Plantation 3 405,000 1,215,000
Brushwood Stable 2 552,500 1,105,000
Robert Baker & William Mack 3 341,666 1,025,000
Mike Ryan, Agent 5 198,000 990,000

No Kelly's, Moore's, Earnharts, Pegrams, Moss's, Wygods, Starlight, Scaturchio, Padua, etc etc etc..

Riot 09-15-2009 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
No Kelly's, Moore's, Earnharts, Pegrams, Moss's, Wygods, Starlight, Scaturchio, Padua, etc etc etc..

The Moss's were there yesterday. Baffert all around today. Romans' was looking at several.

Maybe they are waiting for the peds to change in the next books - it is kinda heavy with AP Indy, Giant's Causeway, Distorted Humor, Bernardini, Storm Cat, Unbridled's Song, etc.

freddymo 09-15-2009 06:10 PM

Yea:they must be waiting for those Betrando's

Riot 09-15-2009 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
Yea:they must be waiting for those Betrando's

:D :D :D

Scav 09-15-2009 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
Yea:they must be waiting for those Betrando's

We got outbid on what was considered an A++ of the sale today by the Shiek, #368, Dixie Union filly.

She was awesome looking, fast as can be.

I saw salivation from a DT member when looking at her. :)

freddymo 09-15-2009 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
We got outbid on what was considered an A++ of the sale today by the Shiek, #368, Dixie Union filly.

She was awesome looking, fast as can be.

I saw salivation from a DT member when looking at her. :)

Last year that horse wouldn't have been in book 1 regardless how wonderful she looked. Dixie friggin Union 36 months ago his top seller was what 150k MAYBE.. Serious question...If Dixie Union hadn't had the vey recent success what is the real fig that horse sells for 200k TOPS right.. JustWhistleDixie made someone 300k.. Look imagine if you had a Birdstone..12 months ago you are looking at 75k for a his best now 400k?? You need a FuPeg? "They are on the discount rack like another can of beans" -B Joel

freddymo 09-15-2009 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
We got outbid on what was considered an A++ of the sale today by the Shiek, #368, Dixie Union filly.

She was awesome looking, fast as can be.

I saw salivation from a DT member when looking at her. :)

If the guy wants the horse you cant win.. period.. Without this idiot people would be starving. Whatever he spent imagine if those horses went thru the ring without him. The sale would look more like a haunted house.

Scav 09-15-2009 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
Last year that horse wouldn't have been in book 1 regardless how wonderful she looked. Dixie friggin Union 36 months ago his top seller was what 150k MAYBE.. Serious question...If Dixie Union hadn't had the vey recent success what is the real fig that horse sells for 200k TOPS right.. JustWhistleDixie made someone 300k.. Look imagine if you had a Birdstone..12 months ago you are looking at 75k for a his best now 400k?? You need a FuPeg? "They are on the discount rack like another can of beans" -B Joel

The thing is that pedigree really didn't matter on her I don't think. It really isn't that strong as it is. A friend told me that if he had an unlimited budget she would have definitely went home with him.

But yeah, if Shiek wants a horse, he gets the horse.

The Giants Causeways are not selling well because he won't bid on them :), hell, I think one went through today for only 5k....

freddymo 09-15-2009 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
The thing is that pedigree really didn't matter on her I don't think. It really isn't that strong as it is. A friend told me that if he had an unlimited budget she would have definitely went home with him.

But yeah, if Shiek wants a horse, he gets the horse.

The Giants Causeways are not selling well because he won't bid on them :), hell, I think one went through today for only 5k....

He doesn't bid on Coolemore period. No regulars are in the market..Respectfully the fact that you guys are even bidding on book 1 stock is terrific yet somewhat strange. I, with 4 other guys bid on a Gone West filly 4 years ago in Book 2 first day. We thought she would bring 200 to 250 we went to 325.. Jess bought her for 900 lol..Book 2 900 lol..Filly never ran a step!!

Sightseek 09-15-2009 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
Last year that horse wouldn't have been in book 1 regardless how wonderful she looked. Dixie friggin Union 36 months ago his top seller was what 150k MAYBE.. Serious question...If Dixie Union hadn't had the vey recent success what is the real fig that horse sells for 200k TOPS right.. JustWhistleDixie made someone 300k.. Look imagine if you had a Birdstone..12 months ago you are looking at 75k for a his best now 400k?? You need a FuPeg? "They are on the discount rack like another can of beans" -B Joel

His higher priced yearlings are usually $400K.

Dixie Union can throw a pretty good looking athletic horse. He's managed to throw a couple solid horses each year to keep from going completely cold. I'll agree he's no superstar, but if you can find a good one I think they are worth it - and they are usually going to win early for you.

freddymo 09-15-2009 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
His higher priced yearlings are usually $400K.

Dixie Union can throw a pretty good looking athletic horse. He's managed to throw a couple solid horses each year to keep from going completely cold. I'll agree he's no superstar, but if you can find a good one I think they are worth it - and they are usually going to win early for you.


Yeah OK they rocked the market for years now.. Where are his sons standing ...Turkey, Paraguay or Uzsbakastan?

Scav 09-15-2009 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
He doesn't bid on Coolemore period. No regulars are in the market..Respectfully the fact that you guys are even bidding on book 1 stock is terrific yet somewhat strange. I, with 4 other guys bid on a Gone West filly 4 years ago in Book 2 first day. We thought she would bring 200 to 250 we went to 325.. Jess bought her for 900 lol..Book 2 900 lol..Filly never ran a step!!

The two we bid on were long shots, especially her. At one point people thought she would bring 750k. It was more of a just in case she stayed within range, she was a must have. We didn't even look at many, maybe 30 total from book 1, the last two days (Book 2 showing) have been pretty busy and should be active the next two days, probably looked at 200 horses.

People that want to lose weight should just come and walk these sales. :)

Cannon Shell 09-15-2009 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
It was pretty scary around 11:00am - you could've fired a shotgun through there and not hit a soul. Got much better. Take out all of Sheik Mo's purchases over time. What a different industry this would be. I think he's personally holding this particular sale together so far.
Leading Buyers by Gross

Buyer Number of Head Sold Average Gross
John Ferguson 31 434,193 13,460,000
Shadwell Estate Company, Ltd. 8 489,375 3,915,000
D. L. O'Byrne 5 596,000 2,980,000
Blandford Bloodstock 11 249,272 2,742,000
Westrock Stables, LLC 4 383,750 1,535,000
Baccari Bloodstock for BesiLu 2 667,500 1,335,000
Live Oak Plantation 3 405,000 1,215,000
Brushwood Stable 2 552,500 1,105,000
Robert Baker & William Mack 3 341,666 1,025,000
Mike Ryan, Agent 5 198,000 990,000

Like this isnt the case most years?


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