That Packer D is something special

Favre has now beaten all 32 NFL teams:rolleyes:

Actually I give them some credit for last night. The easy thing would have been to shut down the passing game just to make Favre look bad and let Adrian Peterson dice them. Instead they put forth the best strategy to win the game, namely shutting down Adrian Peterson better than anyone in 14 games and making Favre beat them. The officials took away their one INT on a terrible interference call and the D even came up with a TD. The Packers problem was not their defense. It is the giant gaping hole at LT. I thought #73 was the worst lineman I had ever seen, thought that at least until he got hurt and his backup came in. Egads. They should go sign Langston Walker, Jon Runyan, and Levi Jones. Between the three of them maybe they could find something better than an open door at left tackle.

So has T.O.

that was a TERRIBLE pass interference call. Thought of Coach Pants immediately as that screwed his bet.

Anyone need a 42" Plasma with a gaping hole in it?

It's not that bad. O-line played horrible, lost the turnover battle, obviously got no calls our way and still only lost by 7. I now know how horrible it is to be on the other end of the farve love fest by the 4 letter network. He played great last night, but no way Favre would have made it thru the game if he had our line protecting him. packers get clifton and the o-line straight they will be just fine. If not we might see Flynn by week 9. Rodgers needs to learn to get rid of the ball a little quicker.

Definitely agree the Interference call was terrible, but there was an offsides penalty also. The Defense is not the reason the team is 2-2 in fact they are definitely the reason they beat the Bears in Week 1. Their run defense is definitely upgraded from last year. They are #1 in takeaway differential. #2 in actual number of turnovers. The only problem there is they have the same problem with the Bears and what I saw from Pitt-SD. They are going for the strip first before the tackle and that could lead to disasterous consequences.

That offensive line is downright horrible. 61, 46, 99, 51 for Grant on the ground and the 99 came from St. Louis.

Favre threw for 271 yards on 24-31 passing with 3 tds. If they didnt get up big, he would have gotten over 300 easily. That defensive performance was not good. You stack 7-8 in the box against any back and he is going to have a hard time running. Favre had been sacked 9 times leading up to last night. The pack didnt get him down one time. This from a Dom Capers defense.

Green Bay's defense has been poor for every game except the opener when Cutler was suffering from color blindness. Even in that game, The Bears outgained the pack 352-226 and Cutler threw for 277 yards. Even against the Rams...the horrible rams with the horrible kyle boller...they gave up 2 td passes and 336 total yards.

I understand you guys are fans but you have to take your head out of the cheese wiz. There are serious problems with that secondary and they just arent getting enough pressure to hide it.

If you can't understand how thin you have to be stretched in the secondary to hold Adrian Peterson to 2.2 yards per carry then I don't think we can even argue football. They committed to stopping Peterson and make Favre beat them and he did. This loss falls on the offensive line and Rodgers getting happy feet once the line kept failing him, there is no way you can pin that loss on their defense.

yeah, were they committed to stopping Cedric Benson as well? They have given up over 300 yards of total offense in each game including over 300 to the RAMS.

Do you realize the Rams have scored 24 points all season and 17 of those were against the packers? do you realize that the Rams have gained 300 total yards 1 time all year and that was also against the Pack?

Where did I say their defense played well against the Rams? They didn't. But the reason they lost last night was not cause of the defense. They were the 22nd ranked defense last year. I believe I said Capers could improve them to 14th. They are 18th right now. I'd say 14th is still incredibly reasonable considering 3 of their next 4 are against Cleveland, Detroit, and Tampa Bay.

Favre threw for 154 yards on 14-17 passing with two touchdowns...in the first half. He led drives of 67, 77 and 84 yards...and two of those drives were over 6 minutes long...all in the first half.

And the defense wasnt the reason they lost? Maybe i watched a different game. Heck, maybe i watch a different sport.

Yeah, cause completely shutting down the best player in football counts for absolutely nothing. :rolleyes:

LOL. No, it really doesnt if you allow that kind of production from the opposing offense. Are you joking? A team committed to stopping one player is generally going to stop him...especially a running back. Quick, through four games, how many 100 yard games does peterson have? Thats right...ONE. Does it matter? No, the vikes are winning and the team is moving the ball. Teams dont get credit for stopping one player. They get credit for stopping an offense.

The Packers defense fell woefully short of stopping the Vikings. When it mattered, they couldnt get off the field as evidenced by the long scoring drives.

It's called gameplanning. Their gameplan was to stop Peterson and make Favre beat them through the air. The gameplan worked. The problem was Favre played well and had his only mistake taken away by a phantom penalty. Plain and simple, when you commit all your resources to stopping the run you can get picked apart through the air if the QB has a good day.

100 yards is some magical number made up by the media cause it looks pretty when they add an extra digit. Peterson's yards per carry is far more significant. His YPC this year was 7.2, 6.5, 4.5, and then 2.2 last night. That is impressive. Last year he was under 3.5 YPC once, in a game in which New Orleans committed to stopping Peterson and make Gus Frerotte beat them which he did with 222 yards and no turnovers.

Gameplanning your ass. LOL. It was a bad gameplan then. Any way you try to spin it, the defense didnt play well and hasnt played well this season.

After watching GB three times already this season it is hard to say their defense is anything more than mediocre at best. They looked pretty good against Chicago but Cutler kept throwing them the ball. Seemed like Favre has a lot of time to make plays and it also seemed like guys were open a lot. While they surely wanted to limit Peterson, dont forget he tweaked his leg on the fumble play and did not play nearly as much afterwards. Their offensive line is offensive.

I agree with everything that you are saying here. At the end of the day, a secondary is only as good as a pass rush allows it to be. They have 5 sacks so far and thats not a deceiving stat like in the case of the Jets where they are constantly putting pressure on the QB but just not getting there. Favre had all day to throw it and would have easily thrown for 300 yards if they werent up by two touchdowns in the third quarter.

Green Bay has plenty of room for upside. The 3-4, especially capers's version, is complicated and it is a giant shift from previous years. So far they have stunk though and they stunk last night.

And the vikes win again. Favre does it again!

Yeah, Baltimore's kicker had nothing to do with it. :rolleyes:

21-29 278 yards 3 tds with no picks.

yeah, it was all about the crappy baltimore kicker.

The guy makes the field goal and it is a loss!!! It has everything to do with the crappy Baltimore kicker.

If Brett doesnt get them down the field the posession before, we aren't talking about any missed field goals. He can't play defense.

When baltimore took the lead, I thought the game was over. Favre got them back down the field for the winning score. Give credit where it is due.

He may very well play like crap for the rest of the year but the last two games he has played very well and so far this season he has played like an upper echelon QB. Is that not an accurate assessment?

Favre has played very well but not quite in the range of upper echelon QB. He's not the QB he used to be but for once in his life he seems to have realized that and he's not making the stupid throws that are so characteristic of Favre. With Peterson and a good offensive line, solid QB play with minimal mistakes is all the Vikings need. I haven't seen anything to think that he's doing anything that say, a healthy Chad Pennington couldn't do. Let's see how the next two games go, he has to go on the road to play two solid teams. So far the Vikes have only beat up on crappy teams (crappy might be an understatement) on the road. If he shows up the next two weeks, wins them both, and plays well then he absolutely deserves props. Until then he isn't doing anything more than 15 other NFL QBs could do in the same situation. But more than likely, they lose them both and are tied with the Pack atop the NFC North.

So, if he goes into Pittsburgh and Green Bay and wins AFTER leading his team to a 6-0 record with no bye week and playing one of the most physical teams in the league, then he can be considered upper echelon?

Chad Pennington can do what he has done this year?

This is why you are an easy mark. You have a bad opinion and you stick with it even though there is nothing but overwhelming evidence to say that you are wrong.

FAVRE SEASON STATS:

178 124 1,347 69.7 7.6 12 6.7 2 1.1 63 14 90 109.5

12 tds 2 ints 69.7 completion percentage. 6 and 0.

Top five numbers...UPPER ECHELON.

Favre is playing great, especially given everything, however it is a long season and he is playing behind an outstanding offensive line and he has the best running back in the league in his backfield. This makes most opposing defenses key on AP and they make Favre beat them, which is what he is doing so far. If a defensive gets pressure on him things will change. Favre would be back in MS in the hospital if he played behind the packers o-line. He is doing well so far, but if you go by numbers he is still not in the top 5 this year. Brady, Brees, Petyon Manning, Matt Schaub, and even Rodgers have better stats. Don't get me wrong he is playing outstanding for an old man, but he is not a top 5 QB in today's NFL.

He's won three road games against UFL caliber teams and three home games over two 3-3 teams and a 3-2 team. He also has the best player in football at RB that forces teams to put 8 in the box. Forgive me for not being overly excited. Like I said, 15 QBs in the NFL could be in the same position. I can't believe you are using QB rating still when there are so many other more accurate gauges of value out there. Footballoutsiders is the best among them. They have Favre at 7th this year just behind Schaub and Orton. If you want to contend those guys are in the upper echelon that is fine, you just have a much bigger upper echelon than I do.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb

Doesnt that happen for any QB? You put pressure on Peyton Manning and he folds up like an accordian. You put pressure on Schaub and he throws the ball all over the field. Ask the Jags.

The Ravens put pressure on the QB. So do the niners. He did pretty darn well against them. According to Sniper, Green Bay was going to be Pittsburgh midwest with the addition of Dom Capers.

How can he not be top 5 in the NFL in stats? He is top five in TD's thrown. He is top five in QB rating. He is top 5 in completion percentage. He has thrown but two interceptions. Wiphan...HOW ARE HIS STATS NOT TOP FIVE?????????????????????????????????????????

I dont read the esteemed "football outsiders" so I guess I'm privy to that bastion of knowledge. I will go by the actual stats and my own experience in watching the game.

If you really think that 15 qbs could do what favre is doing, then you will find no shortage of wagering partners because that is a bad opinion.

I guess when Pittsburgh does what it does to every other QB in the league at home, favre will suck...until they win the division and go to the playoffs.

Look at who the Vikings have played and who they have on that team and tell me that any of the following wouldn't be 6-0. They have played the 31st ranked schedule in the NFL:

P Manning
Brees
Brady
E Manning
Roethlisberger
Schaub
Orton
Ryan
E Manning
Flacco
Rivers
Rodgers
Palmer
McNabb
Cutler

I'm not even counting Romo cause they played a primetime game and we all know he would have choked it away. I'd also contend that a healthy Chad Pennington would be 6-0 with the Vikings.

Since I can count on you to have some cheese with my whine, how the f do the Viqueens keep winning these games? Pitt better bring them back to reality so the game at Lambeau really means something.

Of course, we do have to still beat the Browns first

mcNabb would be 4-2 at best. He would have NEVER made those comebacks against the Ravens and the 49ers. Never have, never will. He's the anti-Ryan Howard in the clutch. its also impossible for mcnabb to play 6 games in a row well. Did you watch how he played against the Raiders? No way he's 6-0 with the Vikings. I mean the loss wasnt totally McRibs fault, Andy Reid made HORRIBLE play calling, and our pass protection wasnt great, but mcRib couldnt hit the broad side of a barn.

My opinion of him is still correct. I wish Kolb was our QB. At least the players seem to respect and rally around him.

For the millionth time, Eagles fans soooooo do not deserve Donovan McNabb. I wish they gave you your wish and played Kolb.

No doubt Favre is a winner, has been his whole career; every bounce has been going the Viqueens way so far. Hopefully this will change soon. AP gets hurt, you will see a different Favre; you know the one who forces the ball places he shouldn't. If not, and Favre doesn't make mistakes and keeps his interceptions down, they will continue to win. He doesn't need to throw for 300+ yards. He needs to throw for 200 and little to no turnovers and they win. They are +11 on the turnover battle. This is why they are winning imo.

BTW- Ahman Green and Rhodes worked out yesterday. Wake up call for Grant?

Just remember...one X in Fox. ;)

Fine the Bills deserve McNabb. Lose 4 straight AFC championship games instead of 4 straight Superbowls.

I wish McNabb had a heart like ANY of the Phillies. McNabb NEVER comes through at the end when they need him. Its just never gonna happen. If that is the kind of QB you want than feel free.

7th out of 30 is pretty good for an old guy

No doubt, I just have a tough time calling it upper echelon. To me the upper echelon is three guys and it should be pretty clear what three I am talking about.

As much as it pains me, Favre has played great this year. They could easily be 4-2 though one of those wins was simply a great throw by him. It's still early however and he is 40 and his arm could fall off again like it did last year. I'm still trying to figure out why dala loves Favre and hates Manning.