Has anybody even worked that kind of deal for a good filly?

I doubt you could get 10 million. How many babies, how well will they sell? Racing her is the major repay on her purchase price for new owners in my view?

maybe they can take her to dubai for the world cup classic next spring. that would recoup much of the purchase price.

Different ballgame... it's on synth next year.

Well, you knew that Curlin would be involved .... :rolleyes:

that's right, i forgot they are changing surfaces with the new track. that's too bad.

sigh

great...now we get to hear all about curlin AND rachels contributions to the gene pool. i haven't missed that guy since curlin retired.

er...i haven't missed curlin either-or the trainer for that matter!

Maybe I'm in the minority but I thought Jess Jackson did everything perfectly from a fan perspective. We wanted to see Curlin as a 4YO- he did it. We wanted to see him try turf- he did it. We wanted to see him go back to dirt- he did it. We wanted to see him in the BC Classic- he did it. Why is Jess Jackson buying Rachel Alexandra so bad, especially if he's gonna do exactly what MOST racing fans want, to run her against males?

NT

You can't pass up a chance at the Triple Crown..Triple Crown is once in a lifetime opportunity. Who knows how many more chances Borel will have?

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good post....


I dont think Jess Jackson is the problem (though I've heard lots of people in the industry have a problem with him)

I think its ASSMAN that people would be upset about... I mean... who really wants to see ASSMAN train any good horse??

calvin has the chance to win the preakness on the best horse he's ever ridden...or go for the tc on a horse who probably hasn't got much chance to do so.

it'd be a tough call to make i would think.

you take the better horse. rachel is it. the chances of mine that bird winning out is somewhere between exceedingly slim and none. lol

i'd love to have the chance to make that choice tho!!!

I thought I heard if she ran in the Belmont, and a TC was on the line, he'd still take her. Did someone put words in his mouth or did Calvin say that? I'm in a foul mood about her leaving Wiggins but leaving Calvin would just be beyond wrong. I'm gonna guess he goes with her in the Preakness should he be asked to choose but for all we know, them that shall not be named will just grab somebody else who has a higher tooth-to-mouth ratio that our dear Calvin. Why stop now Jess?

Is there a shot we can get 14 in the Preakness? If so, no Rachel no matter how bad he wants it.

Once thing's for certain... this situation doesn't occur too frequently.


Probably not many, because according to some people around here he's a low percentage jockey :rolleyes:

Sure, his hyperbole got very annoying. I found it easy to tune him out, however, it was mostly over the top. I get the anti-Asmussen remarks without a doubt, however, what stuck out the most to me about this thing was that we're finally going to be able to see just how good Rachel Alexandra really is and as a fan that's exciting.

NT

A lot of high percentage jockeys never win the Derby

I'm fully aware of that. That wasn't directed to you though- apologies for the confusion.

He has a chance at immortality though. I guess both choices have their consequences.

If it rains and Mine That Bird wins without Borel on board...he might regret it for the rest of his life.

He did race Curlin at 4 and he did have Curlin try the grass.. He bought her to race her and hopefully she will continue to be terriffic. ASS did do a fine job with Curlin I would expect that he does a nice job with the filly.. As for going in the Preakness..why not? She really has no comp in her division and maybe she wins the dam thing by 7 lengths and we have something amazing to talk about.. I would rather her against her own but have absolutely no doubt she can beat the vermin heading for the Preakness..She is a super filly I don't give a crap who owns her all I know is I dont..

We haven't even run the Preakness and we're talking about a Borel/MTB/RA decision for the Triple Crown chance???

would love to see rachel try the preakness and try the boys. there's nothing left in her division imo. either go vs males, or take on zenyatta-on dirt.

if it takes jackson buying her to see her vs males, i can live with that. assman....ech.

Trainer typically gets 10% of sale price - at least that's been my experience.

He wanted to run Curlin at 4 the court case didn't hurt running him at 4 but I never thought he would have retired the colt at 3.

i thought it was about the preakness. obviously if borel has the choice, and choses rachel, he's forgoing a shot at the tc. doesn't mean the gelding is, just the jock.
if she goes..if he has the choice.

There is no chance he wouldn't ride Rachel vs. Birdcrap if given the choice..

no court case, no hold up on a stud deal. he'd have retired him in a heartbeat for the $$$. since he was hamstrung, he went for the earnings record since he was already running curlin.

i think so. i think borel knows damn well it was a case of lucky rather than good in the derby as far as the horse is concerned. he knows what he's got with the filly.
it's been ages since a filly won the preakness-i'd love to see her give it a shot.

Why because 80% of 30mil is changing Jess's lifestyle... I am fairly positive that is incorrect..

Honestly I am not sure that 10 million is a great deal for this filly. The govt is surely going to get a big chunk of that simply because I doubt either owner has an operation that has anywhere close to that in expenses to write off against the gain. Obviously they can buy horses to make up the difference but in doing so you create expenses which cut into your profit again. The chances of getting another horse of this ability are virtually nil and even if she were to never race again i would think that you could get somewhere in the 6 million dollar range for her as a Broodmare. If she continues to run as well as she has then the upside isnt there over 10 million but the ride has got to be worth something. While 10 million is real close to as much as you could ever get for a filly if she continues to dominate Sheik Mo would give you that much in November. While I am the first person that would sell a horse that I owned if a good offer came up, this one isnt the slam dunk that it looks like.

Trainers usually get 5-10% from a sale out of the barn. Hopefully the owners take of Hal with the 10% he deserves for developing her to this point. Hal will also take care of the barn help because thats the kind of guy he is.

While there is a suit pending against one of the owners there is no reason to believe that Jerry Brown is in the right here without knowing the entire story.

I will say that Jess Jackson being back on the national scene at least gives me someone to root against now that Mullins has broke down I Want Revenge.

well, i don't know what to tell you. the 30 mill might not be life-changing, but jess hasn't built his bottom line by not doing the best thing financially. curlin would earn scads more in the barn than he would on the track..and jackson said a hundred times or more that 'curlin could contribute to the gene pool'. he wanted a deal after the bcc, none was forthcoming because no one wanted a part of the midnight cry b.s. he tried to resolve it and could not.

You are as wrong about this as you were about Paragallos feeding program

i saw that the owner (lanzman i believe) is mad because some suggested a more 'nefarious' (his word) reason for IWR scratching. what does he expect, having mullins for a trainer? for having a trainer who is currently serving a suspension? yeah, that all came out of left field....

Exactly. Like signing Pacman jones then being shocked when he gets in trouble.

Working all day so just seeing this now, anyone know what it looks like the chances of seeing her in the Preakness are?

You mean NON feeding program? OK I yield then