Its only the second week of June.... Go Sox's !

0-7 against boston , can't win a game in fenway , not good yankee fans

Taiwan's most famous person not having the best of seasons so far...

Those 3 games explain exactly why I don't think Tex is worth 20 mil. When he's in a playoff-type situation, he can't beat quality pitching. Sure, he gets some hits, but here we are again with 1 RBI for the series with Boston. Looks like a good regular season hitter(like his buddy playing 3rd base.)

Once again he wasn't the reason that they lost. It all comes down to pitching. Burnett wasn't good in game one, but honestly it didn't matter cause they weren't touching Beckett. Wang was horrendous, then they get a great effort from CC and then crap the bed late. They need to upgrade the pen or at least put Joba back in it. Boston's pen is head and shoulders above the Yanks. And it all comes down to pitching.
As far as Tex goes, no one was saying anything when he went on that torrid streak, including 4-5 the other night. He takes an o-fer (in a game that they should have won) and all of a sudden everyones back out of the closet.

that was good , but , in the 9th against Peplebpon he came up empty 2 nights in a row with his team down 1 run - granted he hit the ball harddlast night in the final out , but , i'm beginning to think scuds is more and more right

tex may well win the MVP this year and the yanks may still go on and win the division , but, has he shown anyone here that he is a $20mm difference maker against the chief rival - no i don't think he has and until he does in a big spot with the game on the line and WINS or TIES a game in a big spot why should any of us think it's going to change in Oct?

So Arods 2 out 2 run double in the 7th with the game tied was not a clutch hit? Was it his fault the pitching could not hold the lead?

no arod came through last night - what scuds overall message is about is basically giving away large contracts to guys (a-rod and tex ) who are great stat pilers (lots of hr's and rbi's) but not necessiarly gamers or difference makers

Right now as a yankee fan i can't point to anything either 1 of these 2 guys has done in a big spot with all the pressure on the line , the palyoffs to justify that they are worth the $$$ they were signed for - Arod has been a total bust in the playoffs , Tex has not had his chance yet so we will see on him

A-rod carried the team 2 yrs ago in may and june and helped get the yanks to the playoffs, they wouldn't have reached the playoffs if it weren't for him .....but then he had to bat 8th ---a $25mm player had to be put 8th in the lineup - think about that for a second and realize what scuds is saying

Reggie Jackson may not have the same numbers as A-Rod , but , he was already a proven difference maker when he was signed by the yankees in 1977 from baltimore.
He brought in the big stick and there were bumps with munson and nettles .....but he was a difference maker w/o him they may not have won it all in '77 and 78. Could any yankee fan ever possibly see Reggie Jackson batting 8th in the playoffs??? He was worth every penny ....until otherwise noted A-rod and tex are overpaid stat pilers - the only thing that matters in the Bronx is rings , that's it nothing else

not to disagree with you , but joe had to bring this guy back in baby steps - hughes s/b starting right now , look at who the yankees play next couple of weeks after the mets - wang could have been held back to the nationals series , there was no need to send out a "project" into the toughest building in baseball to pitch/win over the last 5 yrs

Hughes should go into the rotation and Joba should go to the pen. I really don't know why they are so dead set on starting Joba. They have a hole in the bridge to Mariano. If Joba's the 8th inning guy, he probably starts the 8th last night. Girardi has no confidence in anyone besides Mariano out there. Put it this way, if they were to lose Mariano for the rest of the year, you would have to be crazy to think that Joba wouldn't be closing games the next day.

As far as the cluchness of ceratin players, I'm done arguing about it now. We will see down the stretch who's worth the dough they get (for the record I think that they are all grossly overpaid, it's a damn game for cryin out loud!). But in my opinion the pitching has been and still is the biggest problem.

So why are you and the "baseball know it all" bringing up their "failures" to deliver in April, May and June if the only thing that matters is what they do in the playoffs in October?

Make up your minds.

I completely agree. When CC was lifted last night it was the perfect time for Joba (if available) and Aceves had no business being in that situation.

NT

[quote=MaTH716]Hughes should go into the rotation and Joba should go to the pen. I really don't know why they are so dead set on starting Joba. They have a hole in the bridge to Mariano. If Joba's the 8th inning guy, he probably starts the 8th last night. Girardi has no confidence in anyone besides Mariano out there. Put it this way, if they were to lose Mariano for the rest of the year, you would have to be crazy to think that Joba would be closing games the next day.

As far as the cluchness of ceratin players, I'm done arguing about it now. We will see down the stretch who's worth the dough they get (for the record I think that they are all grossly overpaid, it's a damn game for cryin out loud!). But in my opinion the pitching has been and still is the biggest problem.[/QUOTE]

i tend to agree with you on that , but, last night's game - although only 1 out of 162 games had extra meaning - the yanks were playing to get back in 1st place , they were playing to WIN a game against a team that they haven't beaten all year and now won't see for 2 months---they might go on a tear here and take back the division , but , when aug/spet rolls around we will be back in this circus about the 0-8 against boston .... not something joe or the players want to have to deal with , but they are going to have to deal with it.
against the #5 starter on boston we didn't do much offensivly - we should be able to knock him out of the game , we should score more runs agianst this pig , we can clearly see the bullpen failures , i see the lack of run production against a bum , anyway you cut this one it's not good the #5 starter for boston started a game that his team won over the #1 starter on our team - this is not supposed to happen when there are 2 $20mm players batting 3 and 4th and they go a combined 1/8 last night- neither one of these $20+mm players got a hit off this pig Penny

these games against the red sox , although they count the same as a game against KC , have a playoff flaovr to them a different level of intensity .... we are seeing the yanks fail against a team they most likely will face in the palyoffs

what does it matter when tex or a-rod hit 2 hrs in a game over seattle or houston that they win 14-3? it matters in the win column and get them closer to the playoffs , but , it don't mean they are going to do it when the marbles are on the line ....and the red sox games are at least a good indication of what we are going to face in oct....you won't hear from me much about the yanks until the next boston series , i'm sure tex and a-rod will light it up over the next 8 weeks and the yanks will go 30-18 or something like that

No offense but you are absolutely clueless. I'm done.

where was it in game 1 against Beckett?

game 2 - it was there in spots

game 3 - tell me penny is supposed to go 6 and only give up 1 run , you tell me that is what the offense is supposed to do against this bum and i will go away - 1 run against brad f*en penny

I wonder if there is a stat out there that shows production relative to pitching quality for a hitter.

There have been plenty of hitters that have great year end stats but i always wonder if they get their stats against the 3,4,5 pitchers vs. the 1,2. Does that make any sense?

you know there are 30 teams now in baseball , but, there are not 150 quality pitchers in the majors --- this will tend to lead to stat inflation in my opinion as the lambs get sent out every 4th and 5th day

It does make sense but would be really hard to figure. i would assume that virtually every player hits the lesser pitchers better than the better ones. But wins against lesser pitchers count the same as the better ones.

Not to mention the 2nd rate middle relief pitchers that now pitch 40% of the innings

Aceves, has actually been good out there. Girardi probably has the most faith in him (obviously behind Mariano). Last night he left a lefty (Coke) in against a few righties because he had no faith that Veras could throw strikes with the bags full.

I don't think any team in the league would have sniffed Beckett. He's been lights out at times this season and Tuesday was one of those nights.

Wang put them in a early hole. They got themselves back in the game and came up a bit short.

They had the lead going into the 8th, what else do you want. Reguardless of whom is pitching for the other team, it's still major leaguers. So to automatically think that you are going to hang a 12 spot on the other team because it's the 5th starter or you percieve the guy to sucking is just an illusion. Look how well Tim Redding pitched for the Mets last night. On any given night a pitcher could be on. The Yanks just let it get away last night, plus the Sox proabably deserve so credit too.

Last and not least, I know they make the most, but when do other players become accountable? It can't always be on Tex and A-rod who gave them the lead last night.

[quote=MaTH716]Aceves, has actually been good out there. Girardi probably has the most faith in him (obviously behind Mariano). Last night he left a lefty (Coke) in against a few righties because he had no faith that Veras could throw strikes with the bags full.



I don't think any team in the league would have sniffed Beckett. He's been lights out at times this season and Tuesday was one of those nights.

Wang put them in a early hole. They got themselves back in the game and came up a bit short.

They had the lead going into the 8th, what else do you want. Reguardless of whom is pitching for the other team, it's still major leaguers. So to automatically think that you are going to hang a 12 spot on the other team because it's the 5th starter or you percieve the guy to sucking is just an illusion. Look how well Tim Redding pitched for the Mets last night. On any given night a pitcher could be on. The Yanks just let it get away last night, plus the Sox proabably deserve so credit too.

Last and not least, I know they make the most, but when do other players become accountable? It can't always be on Tex and A-rod who gave them the lead last night.[/QUOTE]

they are all accoutable as far as i'm concerned when they can't hit Brad Penny , it just the way it is in NY , if you are going to take the big $$$ , the spotlight is going to fall on you , it ain't falling onto Brett gardiner ....fair or not , those are the rules when you sign the $20mm contracts - simply inexcusible last night to not hit that "pig" in the 1st 6 innings from batter 1-9!

Come on Gales, who's talking about Gardner. But most of them are making alot of scratch, including Captain America.
I've had enough of this for today. I have to start looking at Hollywood for tonight and Photoshop a few more pictures of Scavs. Very Very busy around here.

fair eneough , but , his salary is backed by 4 pieces of silver:D :D

The trouble is the GM.. belives that J.C. is a STARTING picture... and untill he changes his thoughts... we will be a starting picture...... All this talk about your third baseman & first baseman..... Big Papi...did hit two HR's in the three games.. Go Sox's !

no he is told what to do - hank and hal steinbrenner , more hank , sent the word down that he should be a starter....you would play along too for the $5mm per yr he makes

Over 70 pitches through 3 innings. Mets scored 2 in the 2nd on 3 walks and 2 HBP, not a hit. Not only is Joba hurting the pen by not being out there, now they are probably have to pick him up for about 6 innings.
It's not like he's Steve Carlton, they should put him back in the pen immediatley.

Well it's pretty much accepted that AROD is a post-season choke. We all know he's overpaid. The question is whether Tex is also tending that way(it's not like he was knocking in Halos in the post against Boston.) Against quality playoff pitching, I don't see him as a tough out(20 mil/year star should be.) The Wednesday Night at bat against PAP is a great example. He tried to pull that pitch. Won't work. To me, the Phils have at least 3 good hitters that would have been able to go with that pitch the other way. Those are good post season hitters. I do wish Gales would have waited until the post to talk about Tex. GALES, don't be making trouble.

So are you saying that ARods hit the other night was not a clutch hit because it wasn't the playoffs?

until either arod or tex does it in oct they are not worth what they are being paid , it's as plain as vanilla in a sugar cone

First off I didn't ask you but I guees you two share one thought.

So if their hits that drive in go ahead runs in the 7th inning don't count as clutch because it isn't a playoff game then why are they choking when they don 't get the hit? It's not a playoff game so who cares.

You can't have it both ways. If it's not clutch when they get the hit, they can't be choking when they don't if it's not the playoffs, according to you two.

the bottom line was 3-26 with men in scoring position or something like that the entire team was over the 3 game series with boston - everyone wants to talk pitching, but, when the team does this it ain't good , yes a-rod got a CLUTCH hit last night , but they didn't get eneough runs that's the bottome line

They aren't going to score 6 runs every night. You can't blow leads after the 7th on a consistant basis and keep blaming the offense.

could have gone to "MO" in the 8th after the hit made it 3-2 with 2 on no out , let him get 6 outs , and get a win in boston , if your are going to lose at least go down with your best shot on the mound

I would have had no problem with that.

now tonight he brings him in in a tie game -----wtf --- joe where was he last night

O.K., because AROD got 1 clutch hit against Boston, it means TEX n' AROD are gunna drive in runs in the post. Now I see.

For once we agree. I guess he was saving Mo for the super important Mets series. :rolleyes:

the red sox game in my opinion was more important than tonight

don't want to be 0-8 and not playing them again until aug 6 , should have used the ace last night