Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Hate to burst your bubble dude, but a little gay political love affair is totally not even noteworthy when there is teabagging to be done....

Really, by their rule of thumb, you gotta put all your nuts in the right basket.

Not so sure I can help. But if I can, let me know, I'm willing to try.

Originally Posted by steve

is not paying taxes patriotic?

Originally Posted by gales0678

is there any reason why fox news (o'rielly , hannity .. etc etc ) continue to pummell cnbc and msnbc in the ratings ?

Originally Posted by GBBob

Marty...same reason why Right wing radio does better than left..and it's not because there are more conservatives than liberals

Originally Posted by gales0678

fill me in please as i'm clueless

Originally Posted by GBBob

I'm not trying to start something, but it seems that conservative's like to be told over and over how wrong Democrats are and how "right" they are. Liberals are just as sure as Conservatives that they are correct, but I don't know anyone who listens to Liberal radio ( is there any?)...I guess watching CNN counts, but I just have no desire to be lectured...even by Keith Olberman or anyone Liberal. In a country pretty much split down the middle politically, why then are conservative columinists, radio hosts and TV guys that hugely outnumber anything Liberal? Because the right listens to that stuff and the left doesn't...maybe it's a personality thing? And I answered your question with a question:confused:

And I think Bill Maher is brilliant and hilarious, but I still won't make time for that.

Originally Posted by geeker2

After BC I knew we had something in common - I don't watch Maher either :p

Originally Posted by GBBob

I'm not trying to start something, but it seems that conservative's like to be told over and over how wrong Democrats are and how "right" they are. Liberals are just as sure as Conservatives that they are correct, but I don't know anyone who listens to Liberal radio ( is there any?)...I guess watching CNN counts, but I just have no desire to be lectured...even by Keith Olberman or anyone Liberal. In a country pretty much split down the middle politically, why then are conservative columinists, radio hosts and TV guys that hugely outnumber anything Liberal? Because the right listens to that stuff and the left doesn't...maybe it's a personality thing? And I answered your question with a question:confused:

And I think Bill Maher is brilliant and hilarious, but I still won't make time for that.

Originally Posted by Sightseek

What side of the fence would you considere NPR to be on? I've seen both sides claim their programming to be one or the other. Widipedia has some brief studies on NPRs listeners and reporting:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Public_Radio

I've always found that people love or hate NPR.

Newsweek has the lefts back for sure.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

From two who are in the receiving zone in income from the govt as opposed to giving, I would expect nothing less. I suppose a little revisionist history would support all the anti-gay and anti-black posts made by Jim and I, known racists and gay bashers. People are unhappy with the role of govts intrusion into their pocketbooks and that automatically makes us all anti everything that you stand for? (though I dont remember either of you having much tone when I last saw you)

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Interesting that we should respect the rights of gays, blacks, hispanics, anti war, anti trade, anti etc protesters but anti tax protesters are "radicals".

The CNN reporter should be fired for that 'performance'. In theory she is supposed to be a professional, yet people want to focus on the guys answer. If the guy had challenged her maybe a retort would be appropriate. But she simply wanted to editorialize instead of report. This is the crux of the problem with most of the mainstream media, the interjection of their own political view into "reporting". That woman was looking for a chance to voice her displeasure with the proceedings. She is a not only a biased shill, she is very bad at her job.

As for the protesters yesterday versus the traditional anti american (oops) war or anti something else left wing protesters is that most of the people yesterday were regular people with real jobs as opposed to the usual professional protesters or 'artistic' people who are so intellectually superior that they prefer socialism.
I'm not sure why Brian believed that that was a win for democrats but your boys ratings are falling every day. Guess that makes me anti-black?

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

From two who are in the receiving zone in income from the govt as opposed to giving, I would expect nothing less. I suppose a little revisionist history would support all the anti-gay and anti-black posts made by Jim and I, known racists and gay bashers. People are unhappy with the role of govts intrusion into their pocketbooks and that automatically makes us all anti everything that you stand for? (though I dont remember either of you having much tone when I last saw you)

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Like Brian said, I'm unclear as to where my government gravy train is. If it came by I surely missed it.

And the last time I saw you was 2007, way before you became DT's 10,000-post voice of the wacko right. I looked for you at Saratoga every time I was there but only found your dad (who I like, by the way). Even if I did see you, the last thing I want to do at the track is spar about politics with a rigid right-wing ideologue. That's time that could be spent losing money.

Originally Posted by Riot

I'm happy that all the tea-baggers are going to return the Obama income tax cuts that they are seeing in their weekly paychecks starting what, two weeks ago?

I read an interesting article about Limbaugh and his radio show the other day - seems his radio show is given away free to stations in exchange for advertising. That's why you especially hear him whenever you are in smaller markets (rural Oklahoma, for example) - and he's the only thing you can pick up - and you hear repeated ads for Gold Bond powder <g> The smaller markets get free programming for a few hours a week, it keeps them solvent.

Originally Posted by gales0678

joey - i think what chuck is trying to say is that you and brian are in the 50% of the population that now pays no federal income tax , i might be reading it wrong and he may have to claify it later

10% of the people are now paying 72% of all federal income taxes

50% pay zero to the federal gov't

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

lol, wtf?

i'm paying way more than zero to the federal government. maybe not as much as Chuck, but I'm sure paying my share for the money I make.

people with more money pay more taxes, not sure we're covering Income Tax 101 again here, but I'm certainly not one getting handouts and tax-free income...believe it or not, I do have a relatively legitimate day job.

Originally Posted by gales0678

again only trying to put 2 + 2 together , don't know your situation and i can only speculate what chuck thinks you do for a living, i gave an opinion on what he might be thinking based on his post

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Like Brian said, I'm unclear as to where my government gravy train is. If it came by I surely missed it.

And the last time I saw you was 2007, way before you became DT's 10,000-post voice of the wacko right. I looked for you at Saratoga every time I was there but only found your dad (who I like, by the way). Even if I did see you, the last thing I want to do at the track is spar about politics with a rigid right-wing ideologue. That's time that could be spent losing money.

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Fair enough. Still trying to make sense of his comment about J and me getting handouts, too.

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Fair enough. Still trying to make sense of his comment about J and me getting handouts, too.

Originally Posted by philcski

they were? i would have considered protesting but i was working, as was everybody else in my office, i haven't seen any pictures but i kind of assumed it would be a cross section of a college campus and an art gallery.

i lean liberal on a lot of things but taxes and government spending are not one of them. the rate of taxation in this country approaches that of socialistic countries without the benefits such as governmental health care and reasonably priced higher education. it isn't just dems or repubs being fiscally irresponsible... it's everyone, to the point that i consider them criminal for stealing from the American public.

Originally Posted by gales0678

i think he thinks joey is still in college and maybe thinks that you are as well - maybe he thinks you are getting federal $ to go to school? i don't know

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Govt cheese. You didnt get yours?

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

I'm assuming no more than most.

I got the same handout everyone got last year, and outside of that, I'm paying them every nickel I owe them....and they're not giving me anything in return really.

Except war, that is....but that's a whole 'nother conversation.

Originally Posted by gales0678

75 senators voted for the authorization to go to war , 1/2 of the dems voted for it - why didn't they listen to the elder statesmen of their party (kennedy + byrd)?

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

I'm assuming no more than most.

I got the same handout everyone got last year, and outside of that, I'm paying them every nickel I owe them....and they're not giving me anything in return really.

Except war, that is....but that's a whole 'nother conversation.

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Or their constituents who were right all along?

You ask a good question.

Originally Posted by gales0678

the country was at most 50/50 to go , but, he senate ended up around 75% for

as a dem how do you feel how your senator voted ( i don't know how the ill senators voted)

my aunt voted for hillary over lazio because in her opinion she would stand up to the evil right , but, as we that vote turned back to haunt her against Obama in the primaries

Originally Posted by gales0678

the country was at most 50/50 to go , but, he senate ended up around 75% for

as a dem how do you feel how your senator voted ( i don't know how the ill senators voted)

my aunt voted for hillary over lazio because in her opinion she would stand up to the evil right , but, as we that vote turned back to haunt her against Obama in the primaries

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Ironically Obama for and Durbin Nayyyyyyyyyy.

Originally Posted by gales0678

the country was at most 50/50 to go , but, he senate ended up around 75% for

as a dem how do you feel how your senator voted ( i don't know how the ill senators voted)

my aunt voted for hillary over lazio because in her opinion she would stand up to the evil right , but, as we that vote turned back to haunt her against Obama in the primaries

Originally Posted by GBBob

Seriously? I can't listen to any talk radio..sports, NPR, Rush..anything for more than 30 seconds. I just don't laugh at their jokes or want to hear them pontificate. Would rather read it all.

But..to answer your question...I would think NPR is fairly unbiased, but reports on more issues that tend to fall in the Left camp vs the right. But that's totally IMO..

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

there was overwhelming support for the war in 2002/2003. it was nothing like 50/50. as a nation we rushed in without thinking through consequences just as we may try to rush out without thinking through consequences.

we were badly misled about the need to go to war, but that doesn't change the fact that this was a war supported by most americans, including me at the time.

it's puzzling that anyone thinks otherwise. it wasn't that long ago.

Originally Posted by pgardn

Science Fridays on NPR????

Neither "side" should miss this.

Originally Posted by pgardn

People like to forget their little errors.
I was totally convinced Iraq had WMD's...
Totally...

Its rather embarrassing looking back on it.
I just did not think WE could make an error
this massive.

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

the worst part for me was my girlfriend at the time was convinced the wmd's were bs and i was convinced she was a conspiracy nut.

the president wouldn't lie.

i still think she just got lucky. she also believed in aura's.

Originally Posted by GBBob

I'm not trying to start something, but it seems that conservative's like to be told over and over how wrong Democrats are and how "right" they are. Liberals are just as sure as Conservatives that they are correct, but I don't know anyone who listens to Liberal radio ( is there any?)...I guess watching CNN counts, but I just have no desire to be lectured...even by Keith Olberman or anyone Liberal. In a country pretty much split down the middle politically, why then are conservative columinists, radio hosts and TV guys that hugely outnumber anything Liberal? Because the right listens to that stuff and the left doesn't...maybe it's a personality thing? And I answered your question with a question:confused:

And I think Bill Maher is brilliant and hilarious, but I still won't make time for that.