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randallscott35 04-06-2009 12:21 PM

Mullins simply missed the "No Syringes" sign on the way into the detention barn. No biggie.

gales0678 04-06-2009 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone
And when said horse flips over... does NYRA want the lawsuit? Heck no...


fine have a gurad strip search any trainer / groom that has to go in the DB

don't tell me nyra can't do that or afford that , we do it at all the airports in this country

Coach Pants 04-06-2009 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by gales0678
steve - this is defeating the purpose , can't nyra have it's own in house people walk these horse around for the 7 hrs

No one s/b allowed in the detention barn from the connections , its defeating the purposes or at the very least can't NYRA put a screener in place just like at the airport - how mullins is able to get in there with what he had is just a disater


gales0678 04-06-2009 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35
Mullins simply missed the "No Syringes" sign on the way into the detention barn. No biggie.

somehow i think the only sign there is the one that points you to the Belt Pkwy

Travis Stone 04-06-2009 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gales0678
fine have a gurad strip search any trainer / groom that has to go in the DB

don't tell me nyra can't do that or afford that , we do it at all the airports in this country

I've never been strip searched at security in any airport.

dellinger63 04-06-2009 12:25 PM

NYRA should put casino styled cameras in (pretty damn cheap these days) and put the feed online. Suspicious activities could be flagged and tapes could be reviewed. If they can spot someone switching dice or palming cards they can spot a syringe. Of course this will NEVER happen.

MaTH716 04-06-2009 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by gales0678
fine have a gurad strip search any trainer / groom that has to go in the DB

don't tell me nyra can't do that or afford that , we do it at all the airports in this country

Am I missing something, or didn't the current system work? They got Mullins and the horse scratched.

-BT- 04-06-2009 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants


no way a man with that face could be a cheat, i find it hard to believe.

the horse was just thirsty and wanted a malted drink, whats the deal here?

-bt-

gales0678 04-06-2009 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone
I've never been strip searched at security in any airport.


that's cuse you haven't been picked , they can't do it to everyone

but some people are asked to step into a room with their bag/s , they ain't going for coffe with the TSA

at least a body search could be done by a guard , the syringe would never have gotten through

gales0678 04-06-2009 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716
Am I missing something, or didn't the current system work? They got Mullins and the horse scratched.

he (mullins) never should have gotten in in the 1st place , that is my point

asudevil 04-06-2009 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants

"Macho Macho Man, I've got to be a Macho Man"

Travis Stone 04-06-2009 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gales0678
that's cuse you haven't been picked , they can't do it to everyone

but some people are asked to step into a room with their bag/s , they ain't going for coffe with the TSA

at least a body search could be done by a guard , the syringe would never have gotten through

I've been picked. They've gone through my bag, but never strip searched. When they found out I was a poster on Derby Trail, I had to give blood, a fingernail and one of the last few strands of hair left on my head. The guard wanted my Racing Form, I told him that was the one thing I wasn't giving up and he understood.

The system worked, they caught him, not sure what the complaint is.

gales0678 04-06-2009 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Travis Stone
I've been picked. They've gone through my bag, but never strip searched. When they found out I was a poster on Derby Trail, I had to give blood, a fingernail and one of the last few strands of hair left on my head. The guard wanted my Racing Form, I told him that was the one thing I wasn't giving up and he understood.

The system worked, they caught him, not sure what the complaint is.


see above - he shouldn't be able to walk in the front door is my point

MaTH716 04-06-2009 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by gales0678
he (mullins) never should have gotten in in the 1st place , that is my point

I think the connections have every right to check on their horses that are stuck in the detention barn for 6 hours. Unfortunately there are people in this world that want/have to cheat. And you could make every security upgrade to the barns that you want, but if they really want to cheat they will find a way.

jwkniska 04-06-2009 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63
NYRA should put casino styled cameras in (pretty damn cheap these days) and put the feed online. Suspicious activities could be flagged and tapes could be reviewed. If they can spot someone switching dice or palming cards they can spot a syringe. Of course this will NEVER happen.

It makes sense... so there's no way it'll ever happen.

gales0678 04-06-2009 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaTH716
I think the connections have every right to check on their horses that are stuck in the detention barn for 6 hours. Unfortunately there are people in this world that want/have to cheat. And you could make every security upgrade to the barns that you want, but if they really want to cheat they will find a way.

agree with the right to check , but why not allow a NYRA gurad to search you and the groom before you go in ??

chuck you are a trainer how would you feel about this , how could it not help?

sumitas 04-06-2009 12:43 PM

I guess the casino type cameras would be most effective . Guards can be bought . After all , much of the skull duggery at the casinos is by the staff, as the cameras show .

gales0678 04-06-2009 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by sumitas
I guess the casino type cameras would be most effective . Guards can be bought . After all , much of the skull guggery at the casinos is by the staff, as the cameras show .


fair point - guards and cameras would be my vote

DJARUM 04-06-2009 01:01 PM

I seem to remember NYRA was highly criticized for the idea of a detention barn.
How many tracks besides NYRA tracks have detention barns, anybody know?

DerbyCat 04-06-2009 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DJARUM
I seem to remember NYRA was highly criticized for the idea of a detention barn.
How many tracks besides NYRA tracks have detention barns, anybody know?


Golden Gate Fields has one...

Kasept 04-06-2009 01:20 PM

Mullins could face sanctions over Gato Go Win
By David Grening

http://www.drf.com/news/article/102770.html

Jeff Mullins, the trainer of potential Kentucky Derby favorite I Want Revenge, could face sanctions from the New York State Racing and Wagering Board after Mullins was observed giving Gato Go Win medication in the race-day security barn Saturday, necessitating the colt's scratch from the Grade 3 Bay Shore Stakes.

According to Joe Mahoney, a racing board spokesman, "Mr. Mullins was observed administering an over-the-counter product called Air Power to the horse in the security barn. He had also apparently taken a syringe into the security barn. As a result, the stewards directed that Gato Go Win be scratched."

Air Power is an expectorant that helps loosen phlegm and clear bronchial airways. One New York trainer likened it to a liquid form of Vick's VapoRub that can be given in most states, including New York, but it is not allowed to be given in the security barn. It is administered orally by use of a metal dose syringe. Mullins could face penalties because it is forbidden to bring anything into the race-day security barn, which the New York Racing Association instituted in 2005.

The board said the stewards did not deem it necessary to scratch I Want Revenge from the Wood Memorial - a race he won by 1 1/2 lengths despite a brutal trip.

"There was no incident involving I Want Revenge, who was under surveillance in the security barn prior to racing," said Mahoney.

doll0608 04-06-2009 01:33 PM

Just to clarify a few things about the detention barns at NYRA:

If you are one minute late to the detention barns you are fined and scratched.

Everything is searched when you go in...All bags are emptied, even your electric cords are checked.

There are security cameras in place in all barns.

You can only bring unopened drinks into the holding area. At first they wouldn't allow gatorade but they allow that now.

You have to have someone with your horse pretty much the whole time. There needs to be someone there for the pre-race vet exam, Lasix, and if you are in a race that is selected fro pre-race CO-2 testing.

As for having NYRA staff handling your horses, No way in hell. The horses are removed from their familiar surroundings and moved into total chaos. There are people moving around, horses in and out. They need someone there that knows the horse and knows how to keep them calm before they race.

Kasept 04-06-2009 01:35 PM

Thanks Cherie.. :tro:

dellinger63 04-06-2009 01:51 PM

We're all concerned over the Airpower when "He had also apparently taken a syringe into the security barn." should be focussed on. What was in the syringe? And if empty who got the dose? How long till IWR's drug tests come back?

Kasept 04-06-2009 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63
We're all concerned over the Airpower when "He had also apparently taken a syringe into the security barn." should be focussed on. What was in the syringe? And if empty who got the dose? How long till IWR's drug tests come back?

"There was no incident involving I Want Revenge, who was under surveillance in the security barn prior to racing."

Linny 04-06-2009 01:56 PM

The syringe was to administer the Air Power, presumably...

Linny 04-06-2009 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by gales0678
steve - this is defeating the purpose , can't nyra have it's own in house people walk these horse around for the 7 hrs

No one s/b allowed in the detention barn from the connections , its defeating the purposes or at the very least can't NYRA put a screener in place just like at the airport - how mullins is able to get in there with what he had is just a disater

NYRA doesn't employ grooms and or horsemen, just security to oversee everything. I sure wouldn't be handing my horse to some stranger and saying "I'll see you in the paddock for the G1 race in 6 hours..." They do check bags and boxes and totes etc that are brought in. Everyone from hotwalkers to trainers are supposed to be checked. A metal dosing syringe easily fits in the pocket of a jacket and since it was cold, no one would think a fairly heavy coat was odd. Not sure why they failed to check his pockets though.

Bobby Fischer 04-06-2009 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63
We're all concerned over the Airpower when "He had also apparently taken a syringe into the security barn." should be focussed on. What was in the syringe? And if empty who got the dose?

Common sense would say that they seized the syringe, sent half to the lab and froze the other half to study in xyears.

For some reason I'm not that confident

CSC 04-06-2009 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by doll0608
Just to clarify a few things about the detention barns at NYRA:

If you are one minute late to the detention barns you are fined and scratched.

Everything is searched when you go in...All bags are emptied, even your electric cords are checked.

There are security cameras in place in all barns.

You can only bring unopened drinks into the holding area. At first they wouldn't allow gatorade but they allow that now.

You have to have someone with your horse pretty much the whole time. There needs to be someone there for the pre-race vet exam, Lasix, and if you are in a race that is selected fro pre-race CO-2 testing.

As for having NYRA staff handling your horses, No way in hell. The horses are removed from their familiar surroundings and moved into total chaos. There are people moving around, horses in and out. They need someone there that knows the horse and knows how to keep them calm before they race.

A question to educate the public. Is it fair to say that the drug that Mullins was trying to adminster to GGW has to be done the day of the race? Thus they have a limited lifespan.

Honu 04-06-2009 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC
A question to educate the public. Is it fair to say that the drug that Mullins was trying to adminster to GGW has to be done the day of the race? Thus they have a limited lifespan.


Or what if it was Jeff's syringe?????

Kasept 04-06-2009 02:21 PM

Mullins defends detention barn actions
by Ed DeRosa

Jeff Mullins was not happy that New York stewards scratched Gato Go Win from the Bay Shore Stakes (G2) on April 4 at Aqueduct due to a detention barn violation, but the Southern California-based trainer saw a bright side to the situation.

Had security personnel at the Aqueduct detention barn not scolded Mullins for administering AirPower to Gato Go Win, then the trainer most likely would have also administered the drug to I Want Revenge before the Wood Memorial Stakes (G1) later on the program.

I Want Revenge won the Wood despite a troubled trip, and the Stephen Got Even colt is one of the favorites for the Kentucky Derby Presented by Yum! Brands (G1). Joe Mahoney, a spokesman for the New York State Racing and Wagering Board, said Sunday that I Want Revenge was under surveillance in the security barn prior to racing, and that his connections did not violate any rules concerning his prerace preparations.

Mullins blamed Aqueduct’s security personnel for the mix-up, saying that they should have confiscated anything that did not belong in the detention barn.

“They looked at everything I carried in, so when they let me through [with AirPower], in my mind, everything was fine,” Mullins said. “Everything was out in the open. Two investigators watched me give the horse the treatment then five minutes later they wanted to see it. If they saw the AirPower and dosing syringe on me the whole time, then why didn’t they stop me?

“If they hadn’t stopped me after I gave [AirPower] to Gato Go Win, then I would have done the same with I Want Revenge.”

MORE: http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/rac...n-Actions.aspx

Oaklawnfan 04-06-2009 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Real "Fat Head" potential:D

CSC 04-06-2009 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Honu
Or what if it was Jeff's syringe?????

I think it's a question many of the betting public would like to be informed about. I'm trying to understand why he(Mullins)what he did, from what I understand Santa Anita has detention barns also so it's not like this was foreign to him. Despite the detention barns at Santa Anita, we still have Trainer's with abnormally high win%'s and Mullins though not out of this world still won a healthy 20+% of his mounts. Meaning there may be ways of beating the system, thus the timing of injecting your horse is a key question in my mind.

10 pnt move up 04-06-2009 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC
I think it's a question many of the betting public would like to be informed about. I'm trying to understand why he(Mullins)what he did, from what I understand Santa Anita has detention barns also so it's not like this was foreign to him. Despite the detention barns at Santa Anita, we still have Trainer's with abnormally high win%'s and Mullins though not out of this world still won a healthy 20+% of his mounts. Meaning there may be ways of beating the system, thus the timing of injecting your horse is a key question in my mind.

The crazy move ups by Mullins though have cooled the recent few years, there were times he was claiming cheap mdn claimers, winning mdn specials only to never see the horses again.

slotdirt 04-06-2009 02:30 PM

I doubt the stewards would feel better about it if it were Jeff's syringe, would they?

dellinger63 04-06-2009 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept
"There was no incident involving I Want Revenge, who was under surveillance in the security barn prior to racing."

This is why I'd love to see the feed from the security cameras online where thousands of eyes could be watching. I'm not convinced IWR was under continuous surveillace. There's no such thing, even with a dedicated guard assigned to the horse. If the syringe was the vehicle for the AirPower I'm not concerned but if it was something else tell us sooner than later.

philcski 04-06-2009 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept
Mullins defends detention barn actions
by Ed DeRosa

Jeff Mullins was not happy that New York stewards scratched Gato Go Win from the Bay Shore Stakes (G2) on April 4 at Aqueduct due to a detention barn violation, but the Southern California-based trainer saw a bright side to the situation.

Had security personnel at the Aqueduct detention barn not scolded Mullins for administering AirPower to Gato Go Win, then the trainer most likely would have also administered the drug to I Want Revenge before the Wood Memorial Stakes (G1) later on the program.

I Want Revenge won the Wood despite a troubled trip, and the Stephen Got Even colt is one of the favorites for the Kentucky Derby Presented by Yum! Brands (G1). Joe Mahoney, a spokesman for the New York State Racing and Wagering Board, said Sunday that I Want Revenge was under surveillance in the security barn prior to racing, and that his connections did not violate any rules concerning his prerace preparations.

Mullins blamed Aqueduct’s security personnel for the mix-up, saying that they should have confiscated anything that did not belong in the detention barn.

“They looked at everything I carried in, so when they let me through [with AirPower], in my mind, everything was fine,” Mullins said. “Everything was out in the open. Two investigators watched me give the horse the treatment then five minutes later they wanted to see it. If they saw the AirPower and dosing syringe on me the whole time, then why didn’t they stop me?

“If they hadn’t stopped me after I gave [AirPower] to Gato Go Win, then I would have done the same with I Want Revenge.”

MORE: http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/rac...n-Actions.aspx

As for future trips to New York for racing, Mullins said that the only time he would want to race in New York again would be in the Belmont Stakes (G1) if I Want Revenge wins the Derby and Preakness Stakes (G1).

“I’ve never had a good experience anytime I go to New York, and I will avoid New York at all costs,” Mullins said. “I hope to go there one more time with a Derby-Preakness winner, but I won’t be looking for reasons to go.”
Mahoney said that stewards would confer on Mullins’s detention barn violation later this week—most likely on Wednesday.



Good. DON'T EVER COME BACK!

slotdirt 04-06-2009 02:34 PM

Seriously, could one human being be any more oblivious to the world at large?

Antitrust32 04-06-2009 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski
As for future trips to New York for racing, Mullins said that the only time he would want to race in New York again would be in the Belmont Stakes (G1) if I Want Revenge wins the Derby and Preakness Stakes (G1).

“I’ve never had a good experience anytime I go to New York, and I will avoid New York at all costs,” Mullins said. “I hope to go there one more time with a Derby-Preakness winner, but I won’t be looking for reasons to go.”
Mahoney said that stewards would confer on Mullins’s detention barn violation later this week—most likely on Wednesday.



Good. DON'T EVER COME BACK!


He's basically saying "you cant get away with anything in New York... whaaaa I'm a baby"

:baby:

slotdirt 04-06-2009 02:41 PM

I think the gentleman quoted in the original article who said (paraphrasing) that "if a horse needs this treatment to get to the finish line, the horse probably shouldn't be running" or something to that effect. Why do trainers give horses Air Power or steroids or anything else when every trainer quoted in an interview basically says these products don't actually give their horses a competitive advantage?


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