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outofthebox 04-03-2009 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
A lot of the horses racing at Mountaineer now are supposedly being fed at a cost of $180-to-$200 a month. That figure includes alfalfa, timothy, straw, and feed.

costing me about $300 for bedding, hay and feed here at Finger Lakes. Thats without supplements and not full rations as my horse just started back into training.

freddymo 04-03-2009 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
That's what I've heard from trainers racing down there now.

All trainers are on the earn DrugS

Sightseek 04-03-2009 09:54 PM

$10? The strawberry pie I just made cost more than that to prepare.

SCUDSBROTHER 04-03-2009 09:59 PM

Reminds me of Catholicism (all these mouths to feed each month.)

freddymo 04-03-2009 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Don't worry Freddy - those Cappuchino's are late developers.

Barbara has him and is charging 80 a day for this pig... Gelding cordon blue is delicious if prepared properly

The Indomitable DrugS 04-03-2009 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by outofthebox
costing me about $300 for bedding, hay and feed here at Finger Lakes.

Here is the breakdown courtesty of perhaps Mountaineer's most deranged trainer ...

"$4 for Alfalfa at 7 per month, $3 for timothy at 7 per month, $4 for straw at about 12 a month... and $6 sacks of feed for 14 a month" Comes to $181.

Wouldn't shock me at all if some five finger discounting from fellow trainers is going on with him though.

The Indomitable DrugS 04-03-2009 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
$10? The strawberry pie I just made cost more than that to prepare.

Sounds delish.

LARHAGE 04-03-2009 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
20k would feed 60 horses for a month. Maybe...

Especially when he states EACH horse eats 25 pounds of hay a day, yet they looked like walking hat racks. :mad:

Kasept 04-04-2009 06:14 AM

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/04/sp...?_r=1&emc=eta1

Story hits the major press as Joe Drape has a thorough piece in the Times today... This story is going to snowball, and you can only hope it rids the game of Paragallo. He was a bad guy before this incident, and will be after it.

paisjpq 04-04-2009 08:14 AM

It can be done for $10 a day. My hay is .15 cents a pound and a bag of 14% sweet feed (10% fat) is $14 delivered for a 50# bag.
If I fed 25# of hay and 10# of grain it would still cost less than $7 per head per day. Of course this excludes any supplementa but broodmares are rarely fed many and salt is a negligable expense.

reese 04-04-2009 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/04/sp...?_r=1&emc=eta1

Story hits the major press as Joe Drape has a thorough piece in the Times today... This story is going to snowball, and you can only hope it rids the game of Paragallo. He was a bad guy before this incident, and will be after it.

I hope you realize that the email I sent you two days ago w/ copy of the rescue video was not an "over reaction"

Too bad this thread has deteriorated into the cost of feeding a horse for a day. Paragallo is a "backyard breeder". He is a millionaire that breeds and discards hundeds of horses. Someone should stop him from breeding.
NYRA's turn a "blind eye" because Paragallo as Paranack fills those 7.5k claimers running his horses every other week.

Payson Dave 04-04-2009 08:45 AM

How does NYRA control who breeds.. or how?

CSC 04-04-2009 10:35 AM

A disturbing story...somehow the quote by Joseph Conrad doesn't do it justice.

"The belief in a supernatural source of evil is not necessary. Men alone are quite capable of every wickedness."

freddymo 04-04-2009 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/04/sp...?_r=1&emc=eta1

Story hits the major press as Joe Drape has a thorough piece in the Times today... This story is going to snowball, and you can only hope it rids the game of Paragallo. He was a bad guy before this incident, and will be after it.

I must be the dumbest guy in the world, but how can a guy who owes half of of a 5 million a year stallion let this knownlingly happen?

sumitas 04-04-2009 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by outofthebox
costing me about $300 for bedding, hay and feed here at Finger Lakes. Thats without supplements and not full rations as my horse just started back into training.

my 2 yr old is outside saratoga. the farm grows their own hay . he'll be going back in to training when mike lecesse gives the green light . we'll go to FLakes to start on track in a few months. i am thankful my horse eats well to maintain his large growing body . he's 15 1 1/2 hands and just turned 2.

richard burch 04-04-2009 01:51 PM

since he "doesn't care what people think of him"

i think he is a piece of ****.

Danzig 04-04-2009 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
I must be the dumbest guy in the world, but how can a guy who owes half of of a 5 million a year stallion let this knownlingly happen?

because he didn't care. because he was 'disposing' of the horses, most of them barren mares, so maybe he thought 'why throw good money after bad'??
if barren mares are kept thin (his words) what are culled mares kept at? evidently they aren't 'kept' at all, but are allowed to starve, become lice-ridden, and aren't wormed or given other care. these horses were neglected, badly, while owned and in the care of paragallo. his responsibility didn't end when he thought he had someone taking them off his hands (a story i find less than believable, i doubt there is a fla farm), but when they actually left his care. because he didn't think they'd be in such bad shape when they got picked up-because he didn't think it would become a story....
you're confusing wealth with caring. the two are NOT synonymous.

Left Bank 04-04-2009 08:36 PM

I read Paragallo's response and this guy writes like he is in the third grade.How come in every transaction like this they can never seem to find "The Guy" who was taking the horses???? Sounds like these animals would have been better off being slaughtered than being in his care.

Danzig 04-04-2009 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Left Bank
I read Paragallo's response and this guy writes like he is in the third grade.How come in every transaction like this they can never seem to find "The Guy" who was taking the horses???? Sounds like these animals would have been better off being slaughtered than being in his care.


because there is no guy. EP made out like he gave these horses to someone, that they were picked up in december and then showed up last month in a kill pen. according to the driver, those horses came right from ernies farm-and he says he has paperwork to prove it...more to follow i'm sure.

reese 04-04-2009 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
because there is no guy. EP made out like he gave these horses to someone, that they were picked up in december and then showed up last month in a kill pen. according to the driver, those horses came right from ernies farm-and he says he has paperwork to prove it...more to follow i'm sure.

NYTimes article Part 2

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/05/sp...r=1&ref=sports

Danzig 04-04-2009 09:34 PM

extreme neglect over a long period of time

reese 04-05-2009 10:01 AM

From Sunday, April 5th NYTIMES:

NOT THE FIRST TIME:

http://www.nytimes.com/pages/sports/other/index.html

CSC 04-05-2009 10:24 AM

Interesting he had the nerve to show up for the Wood Memorial yesterday in light of this story getting out.

Mustanada 04-05-2009 08:36 PM

Paraglalo should be banned from entry to any NY race track and beyond. Enough is enough. Horse Racing is the business I've chosen to entertain myself and I would like to see it suceed on a straighter path.

reese 04-07-2009 10:32 AM

Nothing new for Paragallo.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/07/sp...tml?ref=sports

sumitas 04-07-2009 10:50 AM

from the gripping article above...tx reese
"Since 1996, Paragallo’s family-owned Paraneck Stable has been among the nation’s leading racing outfits, starting 4,686 runners that have earned $20.6 million in purse money."

Can this be accurate, 4686 runners ? That's 390.5 runners per year '96-'09.
Or is that 4686 starts ? Either way , can some one explain the rationality behind these numbers ? I'm dumbfounded .

Pedigree Ann 04-07-2009 11:21 AM

If your ego requires that your stable 'be among the nation's leading racing outfits' and but you want to do it on the cheap, you send out vast numbers of horses in lower level races.

Linny 04-07-2009 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
NOT THRIVE cHUCK LIVE AND BE FAIRLY HEALTHY.. Plus they dont have to eat a bale plus a day


My lazy riding horse eats a bale a day and his on the thin side. Horses are grazers and would eat almost constantly if they could. Watch them in a pasture, almost always nibbling. Ever see them when they stick their faces in a big tub of grain? That's alot of expensive food going down that pipe. Mares that are expected to be healthy enough to conceive and carry and deliver a healthy foal should be on a pretty good diet. Sure, backyard breeders all over the world get foals out of mangy mares but no one is expecting those foals to to 1:10 flat for 6f at Belmont in a couple of years. If you are trying to raise successful race horses you have to start with healthy mares. Healthy mares come from good feeding and veterinary care.

Edit to add: The original story stinks from the moment EP says he was sending the mare to a FLA breeder who was going to breed them his stallions. His stallions are in NY. There is no FLA breeder. It was a ruse to cover the fact that he made a deal with a known shady shipper to get the mares off his property. I hope that Ms. Scheidy at AC4H is not holding her breath waiting for money from EP to pay for the care of those horses.

reese 04-07-2009 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann
If your ego requires that your stable 'be among the nation's leading racing outfits' and but you want to do it on the cheap, you send out vast numbers of horses in lower level races.

I've posted the sme thing several places, so I'll repeat it again:

Paragallo breeds and races scores and scores of NYbreds in "cheap 7.5 claiming races" The run every week and finish "up the track". I handicap NY racing EVERY DAY. Just at AQU INNER alone he raced 180 with 7% winning.

PARAGALLO IS THE POSTER BOY FOR NYS breeding program gone awry. What does anyone think he does with the hundreds and hundreds of nybreds AFTER they can't race anymore?

He abandons them in a field somewhere, starves them and calls the killer buyer. Disposable race horses to feed fat Ernie's ego. That folks, is the BOTTOM line here.

NYRA knows this...but hey Paragallo fills those cheap race cards for PJ CAMPO, VP of RACING at NYRA and the BROTHER of Paragallo's trainer, JOHN CAMPO. Any questions after this re NYRA?

Kasept 04-07-2009 08:36 PM

Racing board investigating Paragallo's farm
By Matt Hegarty

http://www.drf.com/news/article/102814.html

The New York State Racing and Wagering Board announced Tuesday it was investigating the treatment of horses at New York owner Ernie Paragallo's Center Brook Farm.

Paragallo said late Tuesday that he welcomed the investigation, which arose after seven of his horses were discovered in a paddock at a livestock auction in New York last week. The horses, according to the welfare organizations that bought them out of the pen, were malnourished and were awaiting shipment to a slaughterhouse. Another 13 horses owned by Paragallo, according to the organizations, were sent to slaughter.

"I told them they should do the investigation," Paragallo said. "These are serious allegations. They'd be neglecting their duties if they don't."

Kasept 04-07-2009 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
It's amazing to me how arrogant he continues to be about this mess.

He's a poisonous guy. They won't find a thing at the farm. I drove by it Saturday on my way to Aqueduct. 50-60 horses in the fields in plain view looking winter shaggy, some a little thin, but generally OK. Suggestions from former employees is that he's culled from the band to the abattoir like this nearly annually.

Kasept 04-07-2009 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
For Scavs

ab·at·toir (b-twär)
n.
1. A slaughterhouse.
2. Something likened to a slaughterhouse

:tro:

Danzig 04-07-2009 09:26 PM

In a release, the board said that it had urged the New York State Thoroughbred Breeding and Development Fund to cease issuing any checks to Center Brook Farm, Paragallo, or his racing stable, Paraneck Stable. The chairman of the racing and wagering board, John D. Sabini, a former state legislator, is a member of the board that directs payments from the development fund.

"I've said all along that there were horses on my farm that were thin," Paragallo said. "If they don't think I'm doing a good job, they can come up and take care of all 140 of my horses and do a better job than me." ~i think this sounds like a great idea!!

chucklestheclown 04-08-2009 02:49 AM

This is almost beyond my comprehension. Is Jennifer Pedersen the one who blew the whistle on this? Good for her!

Kasept 04-08-2009 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by chucklestheclown
This is almost beyond my comprehension. Is Jennifer Pedersen the one who blew the whistle on this? Good for her!

CtC,

Many that have been involved with Paragallo in one way or another are providing info to authorities.

A lot of chickens coming home to roost in this coop...

TheSpyder 04-08-2009 06:44 AM

And someone who is really, really good at it... a masterbatoir
Quote:

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
For Scavs

ab·at·toir (b-twär)
n.
1. A slaughterhouse.
2. Something likened to a slaughterhouse


sumitas 04-08-2009 12:08 PM

Paragallo's owner's license revoked by NY in 2005 ... if this has allready been stated in this thread I apologize.

http://www.paulickreport.com/blog/pa...voked-in-2005/


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