he can manage the game. Big Ben's first 2 yrs in the league that was his job. just don't lose the game but you don't have to win it. Trent Dilfer has a SB ring that way and should probably have a second with the Bucs.
Tebow is big, strong and probably has a stronger arm than Ben. he even has nice touch on the ball when he needs too. he can make plays with his feet. in the nfl, can he "get the ball out quickly" and most import can he "fit it into the Right spot"?
i just don't think Tebow is superman that the media makes him out to be. he's a nice qb with ridiculous talent around him.

That's like comparing Curlin to Mercury...

on a more realistic level, who would you draft, Tebow or one of the Big XII three headed monster (Harrell, Bradford, McCoy)? For an NFL team, I would take one of the Big XII guys in a heartbeat. Tebow reminds me of Eric Crouch with a better arm and better talent around him. He'll get a shot at QB but as Dala suggested, he's such a good athlete he'd probably be better off playing a different position in the NFL.

Fine work,Philski.









:rolleyes:

You care to offer a counterpoint on why I'm wrong?

On a side note, I think the Ohio State QB Beckman got a raw deal. What exactly had he done wrong that deserved to be benched? Obviously Pryor is the future, but the plug seemed to be pulled awfully quick. Beckman might actually be an alright NFL QB. Seems like a very smart guy and that seems to be the #1 prerequisite to playing quarterback in the NFL these days. Besides, that guy that got benched for his senior year at Michigan after a very good junior year has been doing pretty well in this league...

God..I was just kidding. I have no idea,really, because I don't watch other games.



If you saw Todd..you would know why. Real nice guy....but not a real good qb.

Well... in his favor, he can't be any worse on the NFL level than Troy Smith.


Your honest opinion... do the Buckeyes deserve a BCS game?

I do not agree with ya Philski.

I don't know what Smith looks like in the pros. He was 3 times Todd in college,though.Todd's problems are he goes spastic under pressure and will either "I gotta get ridda this thing!!' throw a pick or fumble.

Great arm...can make perfect throws one time and then look color blind or like a farmers plow the next.





I really don't care. You could say Boise and Utah are more deserving since,I think, both are undefeated.

But honest---I have no interest one way or the other.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/player...playerId=10617
perhaps I've been too critical of him... he's got a QB rating of 135 this year!



Utah has clinched a spot. I guess it comes down to Boise vs Ohio State vs Texas Tech (altho i think theres a rule that only 2 per conference can get a spot, which is kind of unfair since despite TT's performance on saturday I still think they deserve another shot at a bigtime game)

Urban Meyer is an incredible college coach that gets more than the best out of his players. Look what his players have done in the NFL...



not much.



Just because you live near GainesHickville doesn't mean you have to defend him, Ms. Penn State Wildcat :p

Ya I don't know how that stuff works except it goes where the most money is.....all hokey to me...the whole bcs mess.

But I will say that a team who gives up 65 to anybody doesn't deserve a whole lot.

Mr. TebowChristSuperStar is a heck of a good QB IMO. He can throw, run, has a BRAIN, and he inspires his teammates to play better (see Ol' Miss press conference).

He set basically every record a QB can for the state of FL in high school... (except I think a lot of records were broken last year by Tebow's backup)

I think Tebow will be in the top 6 or 7 QB's in the NFL and I think he will be much better than Sissy McNabb. (but that is not saying much)

True... it's a mess.

Remember a few years back when Nebraska got absolutely destroyed like 63-35 or something by Colorado, didn't even win the Big XII North, and ended up in the NC Game? Why- money of course!

Good point....a really good example of how dumb it is.

LOL



be nice to my boy McNabb. And there is 0% chance Tebow will be anywhere CLOSE to McNabb... if he is...



I'm leaving.

JMO, but I doubt he'll be drafted as a QB prospect.

With that said, the kid can throw a ball ... if he can ever get over that 'folding under pressure' routine, he is a force to be reckoned with.

Roethlisberger's contribution to the steelers teams in his first two years is VASTLY underrated. Yes, they had a great running game. Yes, they had a superb defense. At the same time, Big Ben made some great throws especially in the AFC title game in Denver. He actually "won" quite a few games.

Dilfer was a care taker but he was a veteran of 6 seasons before he won the superbowl with the Ravens. Besides that he always had moderate skills.

Tebow can't hit the broad side of a barn. He has receievers with tremendous amount of speed being virtually uncovered that can catch up to his poorly thrown balls. His throwing motion/mechanics are absolutely abysmal and the only thing worse is his footwork and his accuracy on short passes.

He would make an interesting tight end/h back type like dallas clark or chris cooley.

He is no NFL QB under any system.

Phliadelphia is a tough town. Guy gets to a superbowl and four NFC title games and he isnt much of a QB. Tough, tough town.

McNabb is the best QB that town has seen in a long, long time. Comparing Tebow to Mcnabb on an NFL level should be considered criminal.

Tebow can straight up throw the football. I do not agree with you analysis at all. Some team will give him a chance and he'll make it as a QB in the league. I dont care if I'm the only one in the country that thinks this.

And you have have McNabb. All that old man can do is choke. Choked in 3NFC Championship games (did okay in the one we won)

Choked on a Huge Dick during the Superbowl. As much as it hates me to say this, T.O was right about McNabb. Dude looks physically ill at the end of high pressure games. Did you watch the Eagles vs Giants game this year?

He has been the one of the most over-rated QB's in the league for quite some time and he has a piss poor attitude. Next time he laughs and smiles after he throws an interception I am jumping through the tv screen and choking the punk.

McNabb has no place in Philly anymore. He will be gone after this season and I hope the fat ass Reid joins him.

I know you believe you know everything about everything Dala, but you are very wrong about McNabb.

With all due respect, if Tim Tebow is your idea of what a good QB is, I am confident that my opinion of McNabb is right on the money.:p

I can think of very few QB's that have accomplished what Mcnabb has accomplished with as little as he has had to work with. Besides T.O for 1.5 seasons, what big time receievers did he have? When westbrook is out (which is often), who is the running back? Buckhalter? Are you kidding me?

The only QB in recent memory that i can think of that did more with less was Tom Brady.

And even Brady's numbers were far from spectacular before Moss got there. It will be 20 years before Philly gets a QB as good as McNabb, enjoy driving him out of town.

How the heck can someone with 3 superbowl rings, and arguably the most clutch player in sports besides Tiger Woods be compared to a man to chokes in high pressure situations.

I dont care how talented McNabb is.. and I'm not going to debate his talent, he's obviously had good QB skills. But the name of the game is Championships - nothing else matters, especially to Philly fans. McNabb is a first class choke artist and cant handle high pressure situations - talent means nothing to me when you cant make anything come of it. the Philadelphia Eagles will never win a Superbowl with McNabb behind center.

You guys think so highly of him?? PLEASE TAKE HIM and tell me how you feel in a few years. Hope it works out for you.

I hope it happens. Man has been either hurt or HORRIBLE since the '04-'05 seaon Superbowl. He also chokes on dicks.

We had some success, but not real success (as in a CHAMPIONSHIP) for a few years earlier on in the decade.

You cant keep a bad performer around forever, no matter what happened 4-7 years ago. This aint like Joe-Pa where you can just stick him up in a booth.. this guy isnt giving us a chance to win football games now.

The alternative ain't much, doll. I'm still scratching my head at that selection, and his performance Sunday didn't give me any reason to think otherwise.


Just so you know, the Birds are my 2nd team behind the Bills.

And Philly has won how many championships? You are acting like Philly is some kind of title town and McNabb hasnt lived up to the lofty accomplishments of his predecesors.

Is Jaworski a choke as well? He had Harold Carmichael and Wilbur Montgomery and they still got trounced.

I will put McNabb's record against any Philly QB in your lifetime...and I will include playoff record with that.

are you really judging Kolb off of a second half performance against one of the better d's in the league?

I kind of think it is unfair to Kolb. Its not like he was named starter and took all the 1st team snaps in practice. He was tossed into a situation against a real good defence and didnt do very well. Did the same shitty job McNabb had done in the first half.

Kolb has showed lots of promise in the pre-season, he is smart and has a good arm. I am very willing to give him a whole season under center before I judge how he will turn out to be as an NFL QB.

i agree with the selection being a bit random.. but we'll see how it plays out.

I didnt realize that we had to have a few superbowl rings to be able to care about championships.

Philly QB's in my lifetime... we'll McNabb's been there 10 years, and I'm only 25. lets see... Doug Peterson (yeah I'll take McNabb over that). Jay and Koy Detmer? (I'll stick with DM) jay feely and Jeff Garcia (both times they were in for multiple games when DM was hurt the offense played much better as a unit - and for some reason Fat ass reids playcalling was better during those periods - for what reason I have no idea).

Randall (:D ).. I'll take him over McNabb. We may not have won the superbowls, who knows, but it is impossible to hate Cunningham!

cant think of the other Philly QB's of my lifetime at the moment.

It is so funny how people want to attribute everything in a sport that starts 22 guys (plus special teams) to the QB. Vinatieri misses two long (truly clutch) field goals and Brady would have been thought of very differently going into last year. Norwood makes the kick Vinatieri is and Kelly is thought of very differently historically. The whole clutch argument is always so overused in team sports.

Randall was actually a pretty good QB but if you are going to stick the "choke" label on Mcnabb, what would that make cunningham????????

Jaworski played during your lifetime. Compare his numbers to Mcnabb's. Mcnabb was better all of the way around.

Perhaps Mcnabb needs to move on and maybe he will get some much deserved credit. I can say the same for Andy Reid who is about as fine of a coach as there is in the league.

What is the definition of a choke? To me, its when you have a situation where you should easily win and you fail to get it done. How many of those situations was Philly in during that run of four straight NFC championships? On the road as dogs against St Louis, the greatest show on turf? No, they should have lost that game. At home against Carolina? Maybe they should have won that but remember Mcnabb played that one with broken ribs. Interestingly enough, earlier in that playoffs he made one of the most clutch throws in NFL playoff history by converting on 4th and 26 against the packers. At home against Tampa Bay? That Tampa Bay team rolled through everyone to a superbowl. They could play that game ten times and the results would have been the same. The other one they won. Are you saying they "choked" in the superbowl as SEVEN POINT UNDERDOGS????????

They never "choked" they simply got beat by better teams. They should be applauded for getting there four straight with inferior talent at skill positions as opposed to being labelled as chokers.

Same thing with the Buffalo Bills of the early 90's.

First time they choked, no doubting that and I'm not just pinning that on Norwood. Andre Reed had some huge drops and they should have put the Giants away early when up 12-3 with the ball and 6 minutes to play in the first half. They were huge favorites and admittedly partied way too hard that week leading up to the Super Bowl (one of the few Super Bowls played with one week between the conference championship game and Super Bowl).

You are correct on the other three times. Everyone remembers how good those Dallas teams were but often forgotten is that 1991-1992 Redskins that is certainly among the five best single season teams of my lifetime.

i cant handle this convo... you guys havent had to deal with rooting for the Eagles your whole lives.

Please take McNabb and Reid PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE

save me some high blood pressure meds.

The Eagles problem right now is the play-calling. You can't throw the ball 50 times again and expect to win. You got to use the run game. Something that has eluded this team at least in the last 2 games. This is all on Andy Reid. Stop being one dimensional.

Okay, we will take Reid and give you Rich Kotite.

Yeah, but who are you going to run?? Westbrook has been hurt so you are left with Buckhalter or that 4 ft guy. And you want to run those guys against the Ravens????/

okay nevermind I take that back! remember when Kotite went to the Jets and the NY newspaper (post i guess) had the headline "DUMB AND DUMBER"

That shi.t was hilarious.

I dont even like the eagles. I have always admired the coaching staff and Mcnabb. I think it is great what they have accomplished.

Look at the titans under jeff fisher with Mcnair as QB. Do you think they were as successful as Reid/mcnabb?

The only team that was able to run on the Ravens were the Giants, who I believe are the best team in the league. But you are at 3rd and 1 and you are going to pass 20 yards down the field? Thats Andy Reid thats not McNabb.

Yeah, cause rooting for the Bills my whole life has been a piece of cake. :rolleyes:

I believe you underestimate the defense the Eagles have had this decade.

The Eagles D has been as strong as any this decade. Bears/Birds/Ravens/Pats would be in my catagory for best defenses in the 00's.

It was not a talentless team that McNabb somehow made amazing. A very strong O-line (save this year minus Shawn Andrews) and arguably the best RB in the league along with LT (westbrook of course). Wide Recievers was pretty much our only weak spot.

I always used to back McNabb and say we need to give him more TO's and he'll be amazing - but since the superbowl my opinion of McNabb keeps getting lower and lower.

Have you ever watched him play an entire season? I watch probably 15 Eagles regular season games per year. Not just the random times they play MNF like you probably do. Half of the year McNabb's passes hit the ground 5 ft infront of the WR or the ball soars 10 feet about the WR's head. Cant blame that on lack of talent at the WR position.

Maybe had McNabb had the talent at WR from the start, things could have been different for his mentality and confidence... but McNabb's head is done for in Philly and its time for both parties to move on.

Just saying.. u are not an Eagles fan so you do not know what it has been like to deal with those boneheads (McNabb and Reid) on a week to week basis.

"We need to learn from this"

"Step back to take a step forward"

"Learning experience"

"there are ties in the NFL??"

"dont want to put too much pressure on so and so"

"I'll take the full blame" (Reid says this too often - even though he should be taking the blame!!)

There are only so many times you can handle hearing those things.