There's a lot of law clerks working in NY. No reasoin to doubt that.

I actually have a law degree, but I am watching over my companies project in NYC. How the hell do you think I have so much time to sit around on a computer? We are a litigation support company that is on a project for one of the top firms in the country (John Roberts old firm) that started at the end of April and should finish up in two weeks. Once it is done, then the real work starts for me.

I for the record don't think you're KOT...in fact I remember you posting on ESPN if you used the same handle...you and Quiet Patience...who I never thought was part of that idiot contingent.

I don't think anyone's suggesting you're the same, just that you have that same tendency to embrace your favorite horse like he's the next coming of Big Red. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but no need to bash those of us who disagree.

Last time I looked, there was only one of me. I think I'll keep it that way.
DTS

Right, you were just accusing ArlJim of being Kingofturfway.

Give me a break and stop being so blind with regards to Bernardini. It's pathetic that you have to assume that I can't be unbiased because I love the horse. Are you 5 years old?

What, now you have a problem with people who are five years old?

Oh very mature, Oracle.
I'm so upset that you don't give a hoot what I think; what the heck do I care? By the way, you're a hypocrite - you called Circular Quay one of the best two year olds you've ever seen and basically went ga-ga over him, basically handing him the BC Juvy. LOL - and just who did HE beat? GMAB.

I see selective reading applies on this board; I have said over and over again that it's way too premature to call Bernardini great or to compare him to great horses, but I guess you didn't notice that. Fine - you think he's not that good? Whatever.

So much for this board being a great place for debate, getting on my case because I like a horse. It's extremely insulting to imply that I can't be unbiased because I like a horse, but I'm starting to develop a thick skin.

He is not my favorite horse. I am sort of defending Cunningham because he takes a bashing from one poster here, and I agree with Cunningham on this one, this horse is a very special horse. Time will show it too.

I am no expert on anything, but I spoke with somebody that told me Castellano likes this horse better than Ghostzapper. Considering he rode both, I will go with the opinion of the jockey. Now he could simply like this horse better because he is a sound horse or because he won the Preakness with him, but he is just a much more fluid horse than GZ was.

I guess I wasn't the only one that saw the hypocrisy in that. The fact is saying it about a 3yr old is a lot more legit than saying it about some 2yr old with 2 races.

You are 100% correct about this horse too. Just don't expect anyone to admit they were wrong when he wins the BC Classic by 7 or 8.

That was quite a while ago. There were some very bad things that happened at the old espn board. That's why this board came to exist, thanks to Lanson, Steve, Mike... and maybe others.
I didn't wish to see the same kind of thing happen here.
The old espn board is nothing like it used to be thanks to a "study".

Argh! I don't think anyone on here actually thinks Bernardini *isn't* good. We just don't want to anoint him yet. If I've misunderstood you, my apologies.

Well I keep my comments to horse racing in the horse racing threads and other stuff in the other threads. I enjoy posting here and unfortunately starting Wednesday I won't be able to post much more because I no longer get to sit around and supervise, I actually have to work. Hopefully I will get to post and read a little because I learned a lot here, although I don't control any of the decisions with my investment in the business anyway, people that know what they are doing deal with that, so it really doesn't matter.

exactly....

I'll admit I'm wrong....I have no issues with Bernardini...he's a nice horse.


But, I just have a long standing policy that I don't like first against older....when a 3yr old takes on older horses...especially the BCC for the first time. He hasn't been challenged at all to this point...I wish the Preakness would have went better and I'd definitely have a better idea on where I stand with this horse.

...at least I'm consistent...lol

Unless long time is how good Like Now looked in that Gotham romp earlier this year, then your version of "long time" is a lot shorter than mine.

I thought Like Now only won the Gotham by a very small amount? How is that a romp? And that race clearly turned out to be a fluke. I hope your not comparing Bernardini to Like Now? I wouldnt go saying he is better or as good as Ghostzapper (yet) but he is a lot better than Like Now. And he is only getting better. The upside on Bernardini is freakishly good.

the frustrating part is that in no way have I compared Bernardini to any great horses or given him any award; I have said several times that it's way too premature for that. Naturally, these parts of my posts have been ignored. At this point, it makes no difference what I think about Bernardin because my words will be twisted. I'll let others debate on this; I'm tired

I know your a huge AP Indy fan so naturally youl love this horse, if it's any consolation to you I am in agreement with you. I think Bernardini is a seriously exciting horse, it isn't what he beats, it's how he beats them. I am really taken with the class of this horse, not only is he an absolutely spectacular looking horse, but his fluid motion and length of stride is a thing of beauty, just an overall beautiful horse with that classic ''look of eagles'' about him. :)

am i dreaming, or didn't i see david junior will be there as well??

guys, like i told bold the other day (never got a response either) there is NO WAY this guy believes this stuff, he's just posting all this over the top BS to get our goats imo. look at his thread he started on angara! no way anyone other than a true racing fan would even know who she was.

A quick summary in case you missed any of this.

Boldruler on Bernardini;

“He is in a league all by himself”
“He is the best in a long long time”
“He is better than Ghostzapper and Pleasantly Perfect”
“I think this one might be better than GZ.”
”you can't breed a better horse. It is impossible.”
“This is a horse that can run in the 120's (beyers) whenever he wants”
“Secretariat's track record at 10F at Churchill is in serious jeopardy this fall.”
“Expect a sub 2M and a stakes record in the Travers too.”
“Bernardini is a man among boys”
“He is just better than everyone out there. A lot better.”
“this might be the best horse in decades.”
“There isn't a horse since Secretariat that can beat that horse by 4.”
“He is the best horse in 40+ years. No doubt in my mind.”


And a few thoughts on Showing Up;

“Showing Up will mop up English Channel.”
“He is becoming a monster.”
“They are already talking about the trip over for next years Arc.”

This stuff is priceless, I couldn't make it up if I tried.

Its called delusions of grandeur.
Tell you one thing, I wasn't real impressed with the training job that Albertrani put into Songster today, the horse was dead short. The reason that Coolmore has outperformed The Sheikhs so badly all these years is that they use guys like Todd pletcher and Aidan O Brien. Those guys wouldnt have sent out a short horse like Albertrani did today. No excuses on the ride or anything else, the man sent out a short horse at 1-9, disgraceful.

boldruler=hyperbole

I believe every bit of it except the Showing Up mopping up English Channel. That was trash talk with the EC guys. Showing Up is becoming a monster, although I haven't seen him since he left for Saratoga. I doubt he is good enough to beat the older horses, and he is no Barbaro. Sweetnorthernsaint is still my favorite 3yr old. They are talking about the Arc with him for next year. The Jacksons would like to take a horse to Europe and Showing Up is going to be a turf sire so it makes sense. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Go Between beat Showing Up.

As for Bernardini, I wasn't sure what to think until Saturday. Here I go point by point.

“He is in a league all by himself” (He is, nobody can beat him)
“He is the best in a long long time” (He is, you will see)
“He is better than Ghostzapper and Pleasantly Perfect” (No doubt, remember he is just a 3yr old and getting better, I can't imagine how good he will be by BC Classic time- remember he is an AP Indy)
“I think this one might be better than GZ.” (No doubt, GZ didn't race enough to be considered great, this horse races.
”you can't breed a better horse. It is impossible.” (Absolutely 100%, stand by that statement)
“This is a horse that can run in the 120's (beyers) whenever he wants” (He can, considering he ran a 114 in a workout)
“Secretariat's track record at 10F at Churchill is in serious jeopardy this fall.” (Yep)
“Expect a sub 2M and a stakes record in the Travers too.” (Yep)
“Bernardini is a man among boys” (Yep)
“He is just better than everyone out there. A lot better.” (Yep)
“this might be the best horse in decades.” (Yep)
“There isn't a horse since Secretariat that can beat that horse by 4.” (Yep)
“He is the best horse in 40+ years. No doubt in my mind.” (Yep)

I believe every bit of it. I am a little biased because I made a small killing this weekend thanks to Ministers Bid getting up for second, but I can honestly say I have never seen a horse as good as Bernardini. Never.

you should get out more

Does this mean that Bold Ruler believes Berbardini is superior to the following horses (to name a few off the top of my head)?

Kelso
Dr Fager
Damascus
Buckpasser
Secretariat
Forego
Seattle Slew
Affirmed
Spectacular Bid
John Henry
Holy Bull
Cigar
Skip Away
Tiznow
Point Given
Ghostzapper

yes it does, he is one very sick puppy. He has a Showing Up picture at home as well but it got sticky and is stuck face down on the night stand next to his bed.

He is better than Holy Bull, Cigar, Skip Away, Tiznow, Point Given, GZ, and I can't say for the others because I never really studied them. But I would say on Secretariat and Dr. Fager are as good.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HA


WHEW.... oh that bold. always good for a laugh.

Stop, I am not nearly as big a Showing Up fan as the guy living with me this summer. I am a much bigger Barbaro and Sweetnorthernsaint fan. However, if I remember correctly, you Kip Deville guys shot your mouths off and got smoked. Then Oracle said a good jockey would have given Kip Deville a win by five lengths. Wrong.

So, 1) A guy I respect, Steve, on his radio show said Showing Up was injured and not going to run in the Derby. An honest mistake, but wrong. 2) Oracle attacks Showing Up and gives him no credit for crushing his friends horse.

What am I going to do, just say ok, no big deal. Bash him all you want. I would love to see him do well because of his sire, but I don't honestly believe Showing Up is Barbaro or anything.

I do believe in Bernardini, and I have never met the owner, trainer, anyone connected to the horse. He is just that good.

I guess it is ok to have an orgasm over Circular Quay, a two year old running beyers in the 80's, and declare him the best 2yr old you ever saw, but saying a horse that runs 114 beyers and wins by 9 lengths in a walk, is an all-time great, well that is crazy. LOL.

The issue here is that the Cunningham guy pointed this out well before any of us, and nobody wants to give him credit. There are a few of us who now believe this. Not just me.

Then by all means you should study them. Seattle Slew, Affirmed, Kelso, Spectacular Bid, John Henry, Buckpasser, and Damascus are worth getting to know. They are all horses of somewhat exalted abilities inspite of your not knowing them.

I think they might be better, but Bernardini is in my opinion the best horse I have ever seen. I don't see how anyone even competes with him.

Circular Quay gave some people chills: they've never seen a two year old do things like he did, with his pedigree,he'll run forever..etc...LOL

But so far, no one has responded to our pointing out this hypocrisy, Bold Ruler, so I have to assume that they know they don't have a leg to stand on.

1) Steve made a brief error that he corrected. You made one yourself that had Lansdon about as unhappy with you as you were with Steve when you said he wasn't who he said he was. he was waiting for that phone call to "straighten him out" and it was wise indeed for you not to call.
2)I never said he was the best two year old I ever saw.(CQ) I said he was the best I'd seen at this point in about ten years. So far I haven't seen a better one, although the Lukas horse who won on Saturday after being beaten by Quay looks to be exceptionally talented.
3)Cunningham also pointed out that Lady Of Venice was supposed to be the best three year old grass filly, and that Scat Daddy was supposed to be sensational, I see neither. I give him props on falling in love with Bernadini and agree with him on Henny Hughes.
4)Showing Up will get anilhated if he faces English Channel.

I just don't see how anyone can't see that Bernardini is the best we have seen in a long time. He is a machine. Ministers Bid is not a chump and neither was Sweetnorthernsaint.

1) Like I said, mistakes are made, I have made a ton.
2) Ok, then in 10 yrs, but already you seemed to have found another.
3) Who cares about Scat Daddy (who pletcher still thinks is his #1) and LOV, he pointed out this one as HOY and BC Classic winner a long time ago. Give the guy credit. People give you credit for having a great eye and buying WLA.
4) I don't know what Showing Up will do. I listen to it 24-7 about how he is unbeatable, but I only have 2 more days of that left. I hope he does win the Eclipse because I like Tagg, but I honestly don't believe Showing Up is as good as the older horses. You guys attacked him and I adopting him as my horse to defend. Do you really think I think Rumspringa is going to win the BC Sprint. I saw him that morning and decided to point him out. EC might beat SU, but nobody in America can destroy him. He is too good.

The only reason MB hung on for 2nd was because HK was stuck on the rail and running through all that standing water.

Well those with the exacta cashed. I honestly thought it was a two horse race and I said that here, I thought MB might beat him, but I was wrong about bernardini, he is not beatable.

I sure wouldn't want to speak for Oracle, but I bet he would give him credit if the horse actually wins the BCC and HOTY.

And I will follow suit....

Now if Mayan King gets HOTY, I am going to just start following Nascar or something.

You people are acting like this is an attack on Bernardini, and that he has already won the whole kit-n-kaboodle.

2 races.

I think this stuff is a reaction to the Barbaro incident, with everyone wanting to replace him with "something special."

I didn't hear this last year about Flower Alley, because everyone knew that Afleet Alex could smoke him.

But in my opinion, Bernardini is currently a "Flower Alley 2, electric boogaloo" type of horse.