I said being Jewish at this time in Germany had everything to do with being persecuted because of who they were. To elucidate many were Merchants, business men, people who had adapted very well to the German culture and economy, at a time when things for ordinary Germans were not so good. There were also very poor Jews who got thrown into this miserable mess. It had very, very little to do with RELIGIOUS beliefs. And this is the opinion of most Jews.

Do you understand how the place of the Jews in this society had much more to do THAN RELIGION (ie beliefs)? It is complex.
Jeez louise... I could go on.
But the futility is overwhelming.
No wonder there are so many holocaust discussions around
the country.

somebody,somewhere is laughing at your insanity! To tell you the truth, I'd have left the whole ball of wax to you people, but I believe in principles...and you and your peeps irritate me. So you only have YOU to blame,and Hoss, cuz he just won't shut up.

How about if i bought you some crayons and a new coloring book?

It had very, very little to do with RELIGIOUS beliefs

These are your words, no?

The mere fact(proven by you) that you don't understand the Robin Hood stuff is proof enough. Don't care how old or young you are(you are about 30 if I remember..no matter) if you don't expand beyond the soundbites of your generation, you will have lost more than an arguement. Pity not enclosed..get your own!

It had very, very little to do with RELIGIOUS beliefs

Its a simple answer Pgardn. Are these your words? They are. And if they are....

YOU LOSE.

I wasn't asking for an endorsement, he wasn't giving one. Comprehension isn't one of your stronger suits,huh?....more like pictures:rolleyes:

That isn't what I said or implied...it's what you projected in your futlie attempt to make sense. Sad..really sad
It possible you have ADHD...you don't like to read long sentences...there's MEDS for that!

Then you lose!!! LOL

Timmigirvan's original quote:

"the holocaust had nothing to do with religion"

Now you are saying:

It had very, very little to do with RELIGIOUS beliefs


This is the post that i called dumb.

Now lets see you talk around this.

You lose.

Sorry

Ok then.
You tell me how the Jew's religious beliefs lead them to be persecuted. What exactly about Jewish religious beliefs pissed off Hitler? The Tora, the belief that Jesus Christ was not the messiah, what? I told you what I believe about the Jewish culture led to their demise. I will add more. They did very little to defend themselves because they had found a very good spot in German socieity. The Jews on the whole did not really believe that Hitler was hell bent on their ruin, in part because of their willingness to hold on to their social position. The Jews kept telling themselves as things got worse and worse that it would get better because they figured they had a lot to lose. They did not realize they would lose all their possessions and their lives. Jews actually have very large arguements over the unwillingness to fight back.

Religious beliefs were NOT central.
And if they were define the specific beliefs.... PLEASE!

[quote=dalakhani]Then you lose!!! LOL

Timmigirvan's original quote:

"the holocaust had nothing to do with religion"

Now you are saying:

It had very, very little to do with RELIGIOUS beliefs


This is the post that i called dumb.

Now lets see you talk around this.

You lose.

Sorry[/QUOTE

so 2 words are the diff between dumb and smart? Well, any credibilty you had is gone for me. But, hey, you gotta look yourself in the mirror everyday.

Why cant you just accept it? You blindly defended an indefensible point. Now you are going back to the distortion playbook.

Unless of course, very little equates to nothing in your school system. I would hope that it doesnt.

I wasn't seeking a sympathetic response...I offered a reason(my reason)
Keep your pictures under the mattress....don't forget your meds,Hossy:zz:

Silence is the ultimate prize. A humble admission of being wrong might go a little further.

Please quit skirting the question.
I have given you some of what I believe.
Again:
Please explain how JEWISH RELIGIOUS BELIEFS irked Hitler enough for him to cook up the final solution. Please answre the question. You said the Jews were persecuted because of their RELIGION. Religion as I know it is characterized by certain beliefs about the creator, how to go to heaven... etcc... Please do this.

LOL. Poor Pgardn. Are you trying to change the argument? 7th grade debate rears its ugly head.

You already lost pal. Come up with something new.

What pissed Hitler off was that after WW1 Gremany as a whole was a depressed place , except for the buisness smart Jewish folks who were educated and more buisness savvy than the rest of the tired broken down war vets . He saw the Jews (even if you just had a Jewish great great grandparent you were considered a Jew) as the one's taking money , jobs and food out of the German people's pockets and mouths. It was his only stance , his only platform to make himself a leader , he had to create a hatred of something or someone to get the people going.The Jews were an easy target , they had money , they owned business's , and they for the most part were doing the most good and he pounced on the chance that he could get the German people to revolt against them. It didnt matter if you were a practicing Jew or not you were a target , if you owned a buisness or appeared to have money weather you were 1/8 Jew or 100% you were to be hated.
I really think it didnt matter that they only believed in God and not Jesus , or if they were a Catholic Jew , it just mattered that you had Jew in you and it was Hitlers only way to become leader was to get the German people to hate them , which he did.

Send 'em to Hossy...he'll appreciate them

this is incorrect. someone else said hitler was into satanism, and i called that into question.

Hey banker-boy and Horsey: Honu just earned hisself 20 bucks for that post!:D

As you wish, my dear Ziggy, you did mention the Thule Society,though.

sure didn't.

from post #192 in 'world wants obama' thread, written by timmi:


"If you get your head outta DailyKos you might find out that Hitler was into Satanism and was trying to create his Master race, thereby needing to cleanse his country from any mixed blood from Jewish, Polish and other lesser
citizens that didn't meet with their criteria....you could look it up"

Yes I did say Satanism, and not the Occult..most don't know the diff. If you didn't mention the Thule Society(from the books you pulled down off the shelf) then I apologize profusely.

"Amongst many of the stories that go with Adolph Hitler is that he was involved in a secret satanist society called the thule group"

post #262, by dalakhani, in the same 'world wants obama' thread. i remember the discussion, so i went back and looked it up to make sure i was remembering correctly that it was others who made those comments.

Not to pretend to be smarter than The Teacher and the Doorknob ( make a great book title)..but you are quite wrong, Dala.



The Jewish people were put into horrifying conditions because they all had ,as very bad luck would have , a common flaw in Hitlers eyes.The odds on this are tremendous..ie...that millions of people who were of one religion and way of life would all display the same Hitlerthink flaw.



But it had absolutely nothing to do with religious belief.

i looked thru the books on my shelf, and as i posted then, there was no mention of occult, satanism, thule, or anything else in that vein.

i may be incorrect, or oversimplifying, but isn't what makes a person jewish their religious belief? i don't see how you can say that hitlers annihilation of so many jews had nothing to do with their religion. doesn't it have everything to do with it? down thru the centuries, many countries at one point or another expelled their jewish citizens, or encouraged much worse. the group as a whole always seemed an easy target, a scapegoat for whatever ailed the populace as a whole.

Like I said..sorry to draw you into this...obviously it's banker-boys' fault.

no biggie.

It is simplistic, and incorrect! The Jews,downtrodden and besmirched as they are, have a knack for being shrewd business people. It brings them much harrassment and the vitrol spewed at their race has nothing to do with their religion. For example..they don't recruit....Christians,Mormon,JW's,Islam all do. Their religion, and their culture is almost inclusive(like Amish) but they will always have a tourist shop.:)

Ok.
I see you in a whole new light.

You refuse to answer the question.

I will lay it out clearly:

1. The Jews were not persecuted because of their religious beliefs.
2. They were persecuted due to numerous social factors one of the major being that they were actually living fairly well in a severely depressed Germany. They were easy targets as they did not resist. And they could be used as scapegoats because "they had all the money" while Germans lived poorly. A mostly innaccurate assessment. The Germans rid the Jews of their business and money as retribution. They did not nail them to crosses. They stole their gold teeth.

What the hell is a religious belief Dalkani? What dont you get?


You are just wrong.
I dont know what more to say.
Go read some history.
At first I thought it was mere semantics but its not.

I know you are understanding what I am trying to say
because you are not dumb. But you are very, very disingenuious.

their 'knack' as you call it for business....i would call that a bit of a stereotype. for years and years-centuries really, back to the middle ages, they had no venue opened to them for business, with many turning to money- lending as most other trades were illegal for jews. so, along with getting harrassed for their religion, they were attacked for usury, and by those who owed them money-or by those who knew they had money, else how could they lend it?
but what it all boils down to, all these centuries, is their religious beliefs. it's because of their faith that they were confined to ghettoes, banned from most trades, attacked, beaten, killed, charged with witchcraft, killing and eating good little christian children, etc, etc.

Holy sht.
An honest person.

I would also.

Not true in Germany in the late 30's and 40's.
They were very active in Germany in trade and as merchant's but when
WWI ended and the depression came on, they became targets largely because of economic misperceptions. Easy targets.

i guess someone is honest if they agree with your flip flopped discussion changing point of view? LOL