Derby Trail Forums

Derby Trail Forums (http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/index.php)
-   The Paddock (http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=2)
-   -   FINALLY: a good match up-- the Virginia Derby (http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24030)

dalakhani 07-21-2008 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dalakhani
now its about time for the rest of your little clique to come in and tell me how much of an idiot i am and blah blah blah blah.

You are such a strong and powerful guy joey.

how did i know?

Coach Pants 07-21-2008 03:04 PM


ArlJim78 07-21-2008 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dalakhani
Is it true what i heard about you jim? Someone told me about you looking like a flasher and wearing trench coats to the track in the summer.

Is that true?

you are one classy lady.

dalakhani 07-21-2008 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArlJim78
you are one classy lady.


Is that true? I had heard that you wear trench coats to arlington park in the summer time. Im not making fun of you here jim....i just want to know if its true.

Personally, i think it could be like a fashion statement or something.

ArlJim78 07-21-2008 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dalakhani
Is that true? I had heard that you wear trench coats to arlington park in the summer time. Im not making fun of you here jim....i just want to know if its true.

Personally, i think it could be like a fashion statement or something.

the thing is i've met maybe 20-30 derbytrailers at Arlington, maybe you can ask them if you're really so interested.
this kind of stuff may play well on other sites where people sit around and anonymously trade infantile zingers all day long. like I said to you before, it doesn't fit in here, and your act is tiresome.

Coach Pants 07-21-2008 03:41 PM

Don't listen to him, dalakhani. He has delusions of modship.

miraja2 07-21-2008 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dalakhani
http://www.chef-de-race.com/dosage/w...osage_2008.htm

last one.

lets keep what youve "blown" to yourself. LOL

I'll probably be accused of belonging to a "little clique" for posting this, but I happen to think that this chart tends to confirm what I already believed regarding DI. It is basically useless in this regard.
Is there a trend in the numbers? Sure, but only someone with very little knowledge of statistical analysis would look at this chart and argue that it proves that DI is of any use whatsoever.
If you took an average handicapper with a moderate amount of pedigree knowledge, and asked him or her simply to assign every horse a DI-type number by looking only at the names of the horses in the first two generations, I am confident that the long-term chart numbers would be similar (like DI, there would be an obvious relationship, but not a particularly insightful one).
In terms of determining stamina, I think most people agree that DI is pretty pointless.

dalakhani 07-21-2008 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArlJim78
the thing is i've met maybe 20-30 derbytrailers at Arlington, maybe you can ask them if you're really so interested.
this kind of stuff may play well on other sites where people sit around and anonymously trade infantile zingers all day long. like I said to you before, it doesn't fit in here, and your act is tiresome.

Thats what a couple have told me. They said that you wear a trench coat to the track and one description was that you are "white as semen". Now, i was personally appalled by this description but i had to say it made me curious.

So...is it true? Do you really dress like inspector gadget even in the summer time?

dalakhani 07-21-2008 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach Pants
Don't listen to him, dalakhani. He has delusions of modship.

i know coach. Truly, you are one of the few opnions I actually value around here.

The ROI on your selections is astounding. A whole lot different than these blowhards that parrot what they read in DRF and from the pros that know it all but never produce much winning.

miraja2 07-21-2008 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dalakhani
Thats what a couple have told me. They said that you wear a trench coat to the track and one description was that you are "white as semen". Now, i was personally appalled by this description but i had to say it made me curious.

So...is it true? Do you really dress like inspector gadget even in the summer time?

So you were "personally appalled" by it, but you chose to post it here.

Bobby Fischer 07-21-2008 03:52 PM

Sailor's Cap will never win another stakes race!

dalakhani 07-21-2008 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miraja2
I'll probably be accused of belonging to a "little clique" for posting this, but I happen to think that this chart tends to confirm what I already believed regarding DI. It is basically useless in this regard.
Is there a trend in the numbers? Sure, but only someone with very little knowledge of statistical analysis would look at this chart and argue that it proves that DI is of any use whatsoever.
If you took an average handicapper with a moderate amount of pedigree knowledge, and asked him or her simply to assign every horse a DI-type number by looking only at the names of the horses in the first two generations, I am confident that the long-term chart numbers would be similar (like DI, there would be an obvious relationship, but not a particularly insightful one).
In terms of determining stamina, I think most people agree that DI is pretty pointless.

Fine. Many agree with you. But if my mare is by Alydar and on the other side of that mare has Tom Rolfe, its kind of obvious that this isnt just cheap speed. No?

SniperSB23 07-21-2008 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miraja2
I'll probably be accused of belonging to a "little clique" for posting this, but I happen to think that this chart tends to confirm what I already believed regarding DI. It is basically useless in this regard.
Is there a trend in the numbers? Sure, but only someone with very little knowledge of statistical analysis would look at this chart and argue that it proves that DI is of any use whatsoever.
If you took an average handicapper with a moderate amount of pedigree knowledge, and asked him or her simply to assign every horse a DI-type number by looking only at the names of the horses in the first two generations, I am confident that the long-term chart numbers would be similar (like DI, there would be an obvious relationship, but not a particularly insightful one).
In terms of determining stamina, I think most people agree that DI is pretty pointless.

Not to mention that the chef-de-races are arbitrarily chosen to fit the data. Of course they can make an argument going back to 1983. If you wanted to cap a race from 1983 it would be a great tool. For 2008 it is useless. For a true analysis run it for all of 2008 before they get the chance to adjust the chef-de-race list. I bet you'll find it to have no correlation at all.

dalakhani 07-21-2008 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miraja2
So you were "personally appalled" by it, but you chose to post it here.

And if you werent part of the clique would you care?

Coach Pants 07-21-2008 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dalakhani
i know coach. Truly, you are one of the few opnions I actually value around here.

The ROI on your selections is astounding. A whole lot different than these blowhards that parrot what they read in DRF and from the pros that know it all but never produce much winning.

I'm not a good horseplayer and never claimed to be.

I like the cut of your jib. I hope you stick around and make life for these sissies miserable.

miraja2 07-21-2008 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dalakhani
Fine. Many agree with you. But if my mare is by Alydar and on the other side of that mare has Tom Rolfe, its kind of obvious that this isnt just cheap speed. No?

In the case of Gio Ponti, he certainly has some stamina pedigree on the dam-side (which is generally considered the more important). His dam is not only by Alydar but is also out of a Salt Marsh mare. In my opinion his pedigree doesn't really tell you much. He doesn't have one dominated by stamina or speed, or by turf or dirt success. His pedigree doesn't reveal a lot of clues to me one way or the other.
If your point was simply that it isn't shocking that he won at 10f....I agree with you there.

miraja2 07-21-2008 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dalakhani
And if you werent part of the clique would you care?

I don't care.
It just struck me as odd that you would say you were appalled by something, but then you repeated it on this forum.
Do you really think that the only options here are that people either agree with you or are part of some clique? If so fine, but I disagree with you there.

dalakhani 07-21-2008 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach Pants
I'm not a good horseplayer and never claimed to be.

I like the cut of your jib. I hope you stick around and make life for these sissies miserable.

Thanks coach.

ateamstupid 07-21-2008 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach Pants
I'm not a good horseplayer and never claimed to be.

I like the cut of your jib. I hope you stick around and make life for these sissies miserable.

That's it, you're out of the clique.

eajinabi 07-21-2008 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach Pants
I'm not a good horseplayer and never claimed to be.

I like the cut of your jib. I hope you stick around and make life for these sissies miserable.

I second that

dalakhani 07-21-2008 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eajinabi
I second that

Thanks Eajinabi. How did you do at Del Mar today?

eajinabi 07-21-2008 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dalakhani
Thanks Eajinabi. How did you do at Del Mar today?

Had to work today so no action for me. Yesterday I lost what could have been a nice pick 3 if STARDOM BOUND had won his MSW race. Broke poorly but rallied like a madhorse to lose by a hair. Still licking my wounds on that one.

eajinabi 10-04-2008 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid
He's proven to be slow. What difference does it make who owns/trains/rides a proven slow horse? Are they suddenly going to make him fast after all of this time?

Generally if the best case you can make for a horse is that they're owned, trained or ridden by someone successful, (unless they're a first-time starter) that's probably a good indication that the horse sucks.

Court Vision is a chump isnt he??

docicu3 10-04-2008 02:51 PM

Of course he is .......took you 3 minutes to get that up here. Your slowing down.....lol. Did someone we all know and love tell you that Court Vision is a piece of ****?

docicu3 10-04-2008 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Court Vision might have won with a better trip?

He is 5000-1 to ever get a better trip in his lifetime.


I wonder if anyone collected.....

ateamstupid 10-04-2008 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eajinabi
Court Vision is a chump isnt he??

He's turned into a useful turf horse, so I was wrong about him being hopelessly slow.

Unfortunately, you're still too much of a moron to actually comprehend the point I was originally trying to make, which is that "IEAH/Mott/Desormeaux" is not an angle, especially when a horse is entering its tenth start with those connections.

eajinabi 10-04-2008 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid
He's turned into a useful turf horse, so I was wrong about him being hopelessly slow.

Unfortunately, you're still too much of a moron to actually comprehend the point I was originally trying to make, which is that "IEAH/Mott/Desormeaux" is not an angle, especially when a horse is entering its tenth start with those connections.

ITM 8 out of 10 is really really bad and 700k in earnings is just chump change. They dont know how to select or train horses.

eajinabi 10-04-2008 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I'm not sure how I missed this thread first time around, but I am sure sorry I did. Now, it's complete with chest thumping about a $7 horse. Nothing before the race today, but I told you so's after. Gotta love it.

You missed the point entirely.

ateamstupid 10-04-2008 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eajinabi
I missed the point entirely.

FTFY.

eajinabi 10-04-2008 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid
FTFY.

If only you could edit your losing tickets too. LOL

ateamstupid 10-04-2008 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eajinabi
If only you could edit your losing tickets too. LOL

Nah, I'm good. Court Vision hasn't cost me a dime. I tossed him in all his dirt starts and didn't play any of his turf races.

I feel myself getting dumber just by responding to your nonsense, so I'll back off. Good luck blindly betting connections, toolbox.

eajinabi 10-04-2008 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Nah, I'm good. Court Vision hasn't cost me a dime. I tossed him in all his dirt starts and didn't play any of his turf races.

I feel myself getting dumber just by responding to your nonsense, so I'll back off. Good luck blindly betting connections, toolbox.


LOL. I dare you to look at my picks on this Forum and see how well I pick em.

Cannon Shell 10-04-2008 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eajinabi
ITM 8 out of 10 is really really bad and 700k in earnings is just chump change. They dont know how to select or train horses.

Did they not pay $5 million for him?

eajinabi 10-04-2008 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Did they not pay $5 million for him?

is that in american dollars or Zimbabwean dollars

ateamstupid 10-04-2008 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Did they not pay $5 million for him?

Don't try to confuse this idiot with facts. This is the same person who was slobbering over IEAH for keeping Kip Deville in training this year.

Cajungator26 10-04-2008 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Did they not pay $5 million for him?

I would imagine more for his breeding potential than anything else, though. Wasn't he originally purchased for 350 or 400k?

eajinabi 10-04-2008 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I got the point. You liked Court Vision in the VA Derby because of his connections. he ran well there, with a perfect trip. So months later, when he wins on the turf, you came back to pat yourself on the back, despite saying NOTHING about the horse in this specific race.

He's better on turf than dirt. That much is obvious. But, he still sucks and speaks to what a pathetic group of 3 year olds this is.

You sing the same tune with a guy that has "stupid" as part of his screen name.

eajinabi 10-04-2008 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cajungator26
I would imagine more for his breeding potential than anything else, though. Wasn't he originally purchased for 350 or 400k?

DRF has him listed for $350,000


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:16 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.