While there's no excuse for striking a horse like that
there is a more GENERAL CAUSE to the problem and an incident such as this could've been expected.

When they come around the turn at DEL, and TAM (among other tracks), there's an OPENING where the main turf course runs. (In TAM, the grass is cut in that area in a way that makes the horses run out. Yet the stewards have no problem DQing horses who fall into this TRAP.)

If you watch these sprints at DEL, every race you see a horse that tries to take a left turn into that opening. While this wasn't necessarily the case in this instance, the horse was trying to get in.

Solve the problem by putting up a temporary rail. Sooner or later a horse will seriously bolt and kill someone.

The same applies to the mile races at GP and other tracks with similar configurations (the rail never fails to duck in at the break).

Look, all I'm saying is that Rose is a well-liked jock by the average fan who is well-spoken and is, at least in my opinion, pretty talented. I think he built up enough good karma with the general public in 2005 that perhaps he won't be judged quite as harshly as he might have otherwise. I hardly think this is the end of his career, nor should it be.

What difference does it make if fans like him? There are no fans at Delaware anyway.

Someone should sick Cherie on his ass, he would straighten up real quick

Out on some of the other forums where there are a lot of average fans, the initial reaction was "I really like Jeremy, I hope this isn't true".

But now that the incident has been confirmed, and the video is on calracing and YouTube, most of those same folks are pretty angry with him.

Maybe they will soften if/when Rose makes a statement (or apology) to the media.

It will be interesting to see how this is handled by the media, considering that use of the whip was one of the issues covered in the Jockey Club Thoroughbred Safety Committee recommendations.

I just want to hear something from Jeremy explaining the whole deal. I'm still in "say it ain't so" mode I suppose.

Edit: Disbelief, that describes my thoughts better than "say it ain't so." This isn't Eight Men Out.

I'm not talking about the careless medication overage/positive. I'm talking about the intentional stuff. To me, knowingly giving a horse an illegal painkiller (also "blatantly illegal" to use your term) is no less brutal than using a battery; in some ways, its more brutal, because it puts the life of both horse and rider at risk, not to mention those of others in the same race.

The 30 to 45 day suspensions that these high profile trainers received were appealed endlessly, often negotiated down as part of some agreement, and then rendered effectively meaningless when the keys to the store were simply turned over to the assistant. The old adage that "justice delayed is justice denied" applies in these situations.

If you have a problem with the American legal system then we have have to move the discussion to another forum. Most if not all of those cases dealt with microscopic levels of legal meds. Name one case where a trainer has been found guilty of giving a horse an illegal painkiller that didnt get a long suspension.

As a lawyer myself, I'm not going to kill the legal system, but having handled cases for other professionals (doctors, nurses, etc.) who have had disciplinary proceedings brought against them for alleged professional misconduct, the penalties that they face for sometimes ambiguous fact scenarios (where the conduct is unintentional) are far more severe than the penalties that the trainers face even when the conduct is intentional.

That being said, I think we can probably agree that it gets back to the observation that BTW made on a thread in the past few days: the real problem is the use of undetectable designer drugs (often used to mask pain). And someone made the great point (actually, I think it may have been you) that we may need serious penalties for some more innocuous stuff because such penaltes would be akin to trying to put the mob out of business by getting them for tax evasion.

I'm not trying to make light of trainer suspensions but to say jockey suspensions are harsher than tranier suspensions is strange. If a jockey gets a 7 day suspension they are really only getting a 5 day one simply because they only have 5 and sometimes 4 day work weeks. A trainer usually gets 15 days and like us or not we have a whole lot more people and animals that depend on us daily than jockeys. Neither are really big deals but i am tired of hearing how easy trainers have it. If I were to get a 6 month suspension (most trainers actually) it would kill my business. I would like to see most of the people here close up your business or quit your job for 6 months and see what happens? Maybe the big trainers can get through fine (as we have seen) but can we treat them differently because they are sucessful?

Personally I think that 6 months is excessive for Rose.

Just watched the replay. Unbelievable.

I've never suggested that trainers have it easy. God knows, I appreciate the long, hard hours that you guys put in, often for relatively modest pay. Quite the contrary, I fully recognize that suspensions hurt the "little guys" more than the "big guys." They don't have the financial wherewithal to contest (and subsequently appeal) the penalties, and then they face the possibility of the horses going elsewhere as their assistants may not be in a position to run the operation in the head trainer's absence.

And I am for throwing the book at guys who use illegal stuff. If I use Elephant juice and get caught I deserve life. But they arent catching those kind of guys and that kind of stuff and all the crap that is being spewed in the media doesnt come close to getting that situation under control. Bill Finley wants to get rid of Lasix. I want to get rid of Bill Finley.

A jockey can't make any money when he's suspended.

A trainer basically gets a vacation. It would be one thing if cell phones didn't exist - and races couldn't be watched on tv or the Internet - or the trainer's help is so incompetent that they can't be left unsupervised.

The horses just run in someone elses name and the show goes on the same as always.

Alan Foreman is obviously biased given his relationship with Rose on this incident, but he said what I was thinking earlier much better than I ever could in his brief segmant with Kasept earlier.

A trainer gets a vacation, yeah right. But if something happens when they are gone what then? They will still be held responsible. They may still lose the horse or owner. A trainers job day to day is to deal with issues. Those issues dont go away.We dont make any money on a day to day basis as it is. The commissions arent letting us earn any money when you have a 30 day or more suspension.

A jockey who has no expenses gets the vacation. His employees are on commission. He goes to the beach and picks back up when he gets back.

Steve Krebs can win at over 20% while on the internet for 23 hours a day.

He is truly one of a kind:tro:

After watching that replay, all I can say is WOW... not only did he put the horse at risk, but himself and the rest of the field, with the way she bolted out.

If that was my horse, I would have hit Rose across the head with the whip, multiple times, and would be in jail today.

WTF WAS HE THINKING?!?!?!?

Haven't watched the replay and I have no plan to.

Sick...

The fans though? I think he'll be judged VERY harshly by the casual fans.

This is enough to make the types that don't care either way about racing want to go and join PETA.

I think so anyway.

I almost decided to take a poll on where Krebs spends his other hour each day..

A.) Sleeping
B.) Strip Club
C.) At the barn
D.) Eating
E.) Banging Jayne Vaders

But my polls are pretty weak.

I agree with everything you said, including the Bill Finley part. Isn't the real problem today is that, if you got caught with elephant juice, you'd likely get a one year suspension that, if you agreed to no appeals, would be reduced to six months (and whether you had a past history would have no bearing on the length of the penalty imposed).

Is Gary Sciacca a Big little guy or a Big Big guy? Sorry it was such a softball

Both, but in different ways.

This kid should be forced to muck fn stalls for 8 bucks an hour 40 hours a week...F him.. You guys want owners thrown in jail because one of their horses breaksdown.. This idiot is a PETA poster boy

I'm pretty sure that elephant juice would get me a lot more than a year. the problem is that we dont know what the new elephant juice is therefore there are no postives for it and therefore no lengthy suspensions.

I know the bettors hear are going to pan me but increase the takeout 1 percent for Drug Administration headed by a wonderful group of people.. Once it's on the level the gamblers will come back

The gamblers will return if you put the feds in charge and raise takeout? That would make me leave. Why cant the feds pay for it? If they want to be in charge, fund it. think of the jobs created...

IMO high takeout is a bigger problem than drugs and cheaters.

I just watched the replay and it really was a dispicable act. There is nothing that Jeremy could say that would defend his actions. I give the board alot of credit for throwing the book at him in a very swift manner. Also for not letting him ride while he appeals. I am not sure if 6 months is excessive, but I do not think it matters, because I think this kid will never ride on a big circuit again. He will either be stuck at some rinky dink track or be forced to go overseas and ride. With the spotlight on the sport and so much negative sentiment swirling, he will be made an example of (not necessarily the right thing to do) but he has no one to blame but himself.

why do the negative things always get all the attention ?
there are big races this weekend, cant we talk about those.

Jeremy Rose
 

I agree, the head-on replay looks brutal.

the jockey took a horse's eye out with the whip. . . this is obviously worth talking about - especially with the current state of the industry. . . I'm all for more handicapping/betting talk too, though.

I have always enjoyed Jeremy Rose as an articulate and fine jockey, it is very surprising upon viewing the head on to try to understand just what the guy was thinking at the moment? There is no question what the intent was, after he hits the horse on the side of the face, he follows that up with 2 left handed smacks for good measure. I wonder how he explained that to the Owner? Yes human beings make mistakes, this one just defies the word 'humane'. Holy smokes...

i know, its just everything with steroids and **** and now this... i would rather talk about betting, and horses... perfect drift this weekend, great races at belmont, i dont know, maybe im wrong.... but this is negative, and it seems like, especially on this site, there is more talk about this, and announcers and IEAH, then there is about the actual horses.

You can occasionally make me laugh PG. My offer on taking Perfect Drift wagers still stands.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NBFmTT50Y0

Here's the youtube link for any of you guys that haven't seen it yet. Fast forward to about 56 seconds into it, and he's the horse on the rail (Rose is wearing lime-green silks).

It's pretty bad... He deserves everything he gets. This incident will make PETA forget the name Gabriel Saez. I hope none of you think this suspension is political either. Knowing the scrutiny this will probably get. PETA will call for a ban of this guy (and whips in racing) anyway.

After his 6 month suspension is over, he'll join Derek Bell and T.D. Houghton at Canterbury Park lol (the 2 guys involved in the Tampa situation...).

Are you serious??? someone should take a whip to your eye...one of the dumbest things I have ever read....maybe you should get rid of your boner for rose

It's been more than 24 hrs since this occured and not a peep from this little shitbag. That was Horrendous. Awful. Disgusting. Sick. And he definitely tried to get him again, because taking out his eye the first time wasn't enough.

He'll get his.

as for youtube i'd much rathor watch shaq dissing kobe, thats some good stuff