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blackthroatedwind 06-17-2008 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204
i am also pretty sure that indian blessing has defeated proud spell 2-3 times head to head


I shouldn't bother responding to you, but let me explain something to you, history is the guide to evaluating horses, and one thing that happens is that some horses move forward more than others. So, just because one horse finished ahead of another in the past does not mean that horse is always better than it's rival.

I'm glad you love the game, and I'm glad that you are enthusiastic, but you would be well served by listening more and typing less.

jcs11204 06-17-2008 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
3 year olds period which can include males and fillies. You said no doubt she is top 5.

in no order...

indian blessing
zatfig
proud spell
big brown
casino drive or mint lane i guess ? ? ? ? ?
whats yours ?

jcs11204 06-17-2008 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I shouldn't bother responding to you, but let me explain something to you, history is the guide to evaluating horses, and one thing that happens is that some horses move forward more than others. So, just because one horse finished ahead of another in the past does not mean that horse is always better than it's rival.

I'm glad you love the game, and I'm glad that you are enthusiastic, but you would be well served by listening more and typing less.

i do listen...

jcs11204 06-17-2008 03:51 PM

why spare the champion stuff ? she is A CHAMPION, MOST OF these other 3 yr olds will never accomplish that title

jcs11204 06-17-2008 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I still think Proud Spell would beat Indian Blessing in a race like the Test. But this is far beyond the point, which was the Belmont talk was silly and way off.

i love proud spell but at 7 furlongs i dont think she would have a chance.

ateamstupid 06-17-2008 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204
why spare the champion stuff ? she is A CHAMPION, MOST OF these other 3 yr olds will never accomplish that title

I'd say it's slightly more difficult to be an "official" champion among three-year-olds than it is among two-year-old fillies.

ArlJim78 06-17-2008 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204
i love proud spell but at 7 furlongs i dont think she would have a chance.

you can't say that without knowing the makeup of the race, the size and quality and speed of the other runners, the location, track condition, etc, etc. handicapping isn't about picking out names from a list of entries.

blackthroatedwind 06-17-2008 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
you can't say that without knowing the makeup of the race, the size and quality and speed of the other runners, the location, track condition, etc, etc. handicapping isn't about picking out names from a list of entries.


The Village Idiot begs to differ.

SentToStud 06-17-2008 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious
And while I granted you that IB MAY be the third best 3yo filly, I'm not totally conceding that to you. Let me ask you something. Obviously, at 9f and maybe even at 8.5f, you select Proud Spell over IB. But what if they were racing at under 8f? Would you still select PS? To me, those races count too. Proud Spell can beat IB in the Oaks and in the Alabama. Maybe IB can beat PS in the Acorn and in the Test. I don't say that makes PS automatically better because she wins at longer distances.

There are 15 3 yo F G1's left this year.

2 are on turf
1 is sprinting on synthetic
2 are sprinting on dirt
10 are 8F or more on dirt.

Indian Blessing best get it done right quick as both dirt sprints are in the next six weeks.

ArlJim78 06-17-2008 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by SentToStud
There are 15 3 yo F G1's left this year.

2 are on turf
1 is sprinting on synthetic
2 are sprinting on dirt
10 are 8F or more on dirt.

Indian Blessing best get it done right quick as both dirt sprints are in the next six weeks.

Calder?

blackthroatedwind 06-17-2008 04:09 PM

Well, since she's obviously better than all the male 3YO sprinters out there I think you should also include the King's Bishop. She can win that after winning the Test.

blackthroatedwind 06-17-2008 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
Calder?

Isn't their Grade 1 sprint for females for 3YOs and up? Or is it even a Grade 1?

ArlJim78 06-17-2008 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Belmont and Saratoga. The Prioress and Test.

Oh yeah, I was thinking there was another one on that summit of speed program.

SentToStud 06-17-2008 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
Calder?

The Rooney is their G1. 3&up F/M. I think the Azalea is a G3, I think. That's the 3 yo F race.

SentToStud 06-17-2008 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious
I get that. I understand where the money and prestige are in this country. That doesn't necessarily mean that's what's the best though.

Why not? How else would you figure it?

I think Xtra Heat won the Eclipse as a 3 yo and she was a sprinter. But she actually won sprints as a 3yo.

blackthroatedwind 06-17-2008 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious
Back to Indian Blessing for a second. Let's say she can't beat Proud Spell at 9f but can beat her at 7f. And let's say she can't beat J Be K at 7f. She may be able to beat him at 9f. It gets interesting.


Interesting for whom?

Indian Blessing is below more than a few ( and I mean more than five...and probably more than ten ) horses of her generation at pretty much any distance. The fact that she could maybe ( and it's unlikely ) finish ahead of one at 1 1/8 that she can't beat at 7F is meaningless, as there are 20, and probably more, others that can pick up the mantel and drown her at the longer distances.

The bottom line is that she has not moved forward from last year, and quite a few have, which is all that matters now. She is a very good horse but there are precious few meaningful races that she can still win. I don't think, given her natural speed, that she is completely impossible for the BC F&M Sprint, but assuming even Dream Rush sticks around, it's hard to believe she can outrun that one early and then stave off the closers. And, that's just off the top of my head. The bottom line is she does not seem to have taken a step forward from last year.

the_fat_man 06-17-2008 05:19 PM

Plenty of stakes this winter at AQU. The bias there would suit a gutless horse like her perfectly.

Why are we going on about a one-dimensional horse that can't win unless she gets it all her own way?

blackthroatedwind 06-17-2008 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man
Plenty of stakes this winter at AQU. The bias there would suit a gutless horse like her perfectly.

Why are we going on about a one-dimensional horse that can't win unless she gets it all her own way?


To fill time because I couldn't get tickets for Hamlet tonight.

hockey2315 06-17-2008 06:17 PM

J Be K vs. Indian Blessing at 8.5 - 9F is completely irrelevant. Especially since they're both best at around 7F. Who cares who would win in a race where neither would be very good?

blackthroatedwind 06-17-2008 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315
J Be K vs. Indian Blessing at 8.5 - 9F is completely irrelevant. Especially since they're both best at around 7F. Who cares who would win in a race where neither would be very good?


Someone trying to prove the unprovable?

blackthroatedwind 06-17-2008 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious
I suppose they are set to face off against each other in the future at 7f this year so THAT will be provable. My mistake. I assumed we were talking hypotheticals.


Hypotheticals? Yes. Hypothetically ridiculous? No.

hoovesupsideyourhead 06-17-2008 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
To fill time because I couldn't get tickets for Hamlet tonight.

call a -rod

blackthroatedwind 06-17-2008 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
call a -rod


Give me his number.

hoovesupsideyourhead 06-17-2008 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Give me his number.

i thought you two were secret handshake buddys.. clearly a snub on his part not giving you the number........ beyers got it

Danzig 06-17-2008 07:09 PM

horse hasn't won since the beginning of february, but she's in the top five?!

this crop is worse than i thought.

blackthroatedwind 06-17-2008 07:39 PM

Who's annoyed? This is better than Hamlet.

Playing the victim doesn't support any argument.

blackthroatedwind 06-17-2008 07:53 PM

I see KG went on auto-delete.

sigh.

jcs11204 06-17-2008 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
That's great. Look, if you can't take a little heat man, maybe you should make an attempt to stay clear. Because the whiney, trying to get people to feel bad routine after the fact is lame. No one is being too harsh here at all.

that not funny guy is.... coach, something is his name

the_fat_man 06-17-2008 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I see KG went on auto-delete.

sigh.

Too bad. Haven't seen such strong reasoning skills since I was an English major.

Cannon Shell 06-17-2008 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
To fill time because I couldn't get tickets for Hamlet tonight.

Wanna know the ending?


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