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hoovesupsideyourhead 06-13-2008 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
If you think Admirality looked good then Unbridled's Heart looked good as well. As of now I wasn't thrilled with either effort. However, maybe Mint Lane suddenly became Big Brown II. If you don't think the track changed then his raw number is probably the highest any 3YO has run this year.

zaftig would blow his doors off... mint lane

pick4 06-13-2008 04:26 PM

I was on the phone with my boss aka "my wife", out of all the times she has to call and give me things to do it had to be when they were loading into the gate of race 3.

Unbridled's Heart had a more difficult trip than he did last month but he still could improve. The 3 year olds division is still suspect. The mistake I made was not taking a chance against him. I had the right idea last night but chickened out today.

Betting against Jimmy Jerkens at this current Belmont meet is hazardous to your bankroll.

ateamstupid 06-13-2008 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
zaftig would blow his doors off... mint lane

Who WOULDN'T Zaftig blow the doors off of? :D

ateamstupid 06-13-2008 04:36 PM

Considering that those rats in the 6th ran a very ratlike time of 1:14.26, it doesn't appear that the track has sped up dramatically. There isn't a huge sample size, but Mint Lane's figure seems legit, IMO.

blackthroatedwind 06-13-2008 04:39 PM

It's hard to disagree. It's in the mid 100s ( 102 to 106 ).

Jimmy Jerkens's horses are certainly running very well.

ateamstupid 06-13-2008 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
It's hard to disagree. It's in the mid 100s ( 102 to 106 ).

Jimmy Jerkens's horses are certainly running very well.

What would that give Unbridled's Heart then? Low 90's? Maybe he just got smacked by a horse that's better than people thought and will prove to be very good as well.

Coach Pants 06-13-2008 04:43 PM

Bottom line is we're looking at the worst crop of 3 year old colts in the history of the sport.

blackthroatedwind 06-13-2008 04:45 PM

I'm confused by Mint Lane. I guess it's about 1.8 points a length so Unbridled's Heart ran 11 or 12 points slower.

It will be interesting to see how Mint Lane runs if he ever actually gets challenged for the early lead but he has to be better than I thought he was.

blackthroatedwind 06-13-2008 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
Bottom line is we're looking at the worst crop of 3 year old colts in the history of the sport.


That's not true...but whatever. Keep plugging away.

Coach Pants 06-13-2008 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
That's not true...but whatever. Keep plugging away.

Whatever.

Bobby Fischer 06-13-2008 05:01 PM

It almost looked like they rated UH back out of the gate. Like they wanted to get him to settle and drive on, except that Mint Lane didn't do any slowing down.
Haven't looked at the replays again to determine if UH broke poorly or was rated back.

ateamstupid 06-13-2008 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer
It almost looked like they rated UH back out of the gate. Like they wanted to get him to settle and drive on, except that Mint Lane didn't do any slowing down.
Haven't looked at the replays again to determine if UH broke poorly or was rated back.

He broke poorly.

Coach Pants 06-13-2008 05:17 PM

Yeah the break cost him the race.













lol

ateamstupid 06-13-2008 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
Yeah the break cost him the race.













lol

Totally.

jcs11204 06-13-2008 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Strategic Mission
I don't think that is fair to Harlem Rocker. HR might just not be a polytrack horse. Unbrideled's Heart was very green but no real excuses.

The winner might be a really nice horse, which makes me think Casino Drive might be a freaky horse. The sad thing is he might not race on dirt again this year, so we will have no idea how good he is.

casino drive is a super horse... i have been saying that for days man

hockey2315 06-13-2008 06:13 PM

Disappointing effort by U's Heart. . . I was at Belmont today but decided to leave before his race . . . glad I didn't miss anything.

the_fat_man 06-13-2008 06:27 PM

Strategic Mission GETS BENT OVER (like a bitch).................


Place Laughing my ass off SMILEY here.

pick4 06-13-2008 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
What would that give Unbridled's Heart then? Low 90's? Maybe he just got smacked by a horse that's better than people thought and will prove to be very good as well.

The fig doesn't matter that much. It was only his second career race and he lost a race where he did not get a good trip and the winner who is a good horse had a dream trip. Mint Lane created his own trip but he's much more experienced than Unbridled's Heart. I think Unbridled's Heart will improve off this race. The Dwyer looks like a good race to make is his start unless they decide to run in a non winners of 1. If he improves and runs a good race, he can run in the Jim Dandy and the Travers.

jcs11204 06-13-2008 06:37 PM

[quote=pick4]The fig doesn't matter that much. It was only his second career race and he lost a race where he did not get a good trip and the winner who is a good horse had a dream trip. Mint Lane created his own trip but he's much more experienced than Unbridled's Heart. I think Unbridled's Heart will improve off this race. The Dwyer looks like a good race to make is his start unless they decide to run in a non winners of 1. If he improves and runs a good race, he can run in the Jim Dandy and the Travers.[/QUOTE

that would be ambitious, especially off of todays effort

Bobby Fischer 06-13-2008 06:40 PM

Good call on Admirality JSC.

He crushed my longshot, and ran a pretty nice race.

Habersham000 06-13-2008 06:43 PM

Unbridled's Heart ran with front wraps today....maybe had something to do with his poor showing maybe it didn't....he could be just another fragile Unbridled's Song...

jcs11204 06-13-2008 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer
Good call on Admirality JSC.

He crushed my longshot, and ran a pretty nice race.

thanks i did not cash on anything though... i hit one race all day today, and am down a few bucks

Bobby Fischer 06-13-2008 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204
thanks i did not cash on anything though... i hit one race all day today, and am down a few bucks

It was a tough card at Belmont IMO. I maybe noticed one value play through the first 7 races (Serpe/channing hill? turf race)

jcs11204 06-13-2008 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer
It was a tough card at Belmont IMO. I maybe noticed one value play through the first 7 races (Serpe/channing hill? turf race)

yea i hit nothing at belmont sad thing is i had the 18-1 victory gallop in a pick 3, cought the first 2, and needed akebono, then i go and make a win bet on him, double the pain

jcs11204 06-13-2008 07:04 PM

the only race i hit was churchill, i had 25 to win on brian hernandez at 11-1... in the second baby race.but did not even get me even for the day

pick4 06-13-2008 07:10 PM

[quote=jcs11204]
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Originally Posted by pick4
The fig doesn't matter that much. It was only his second career race and he lost a race where he did not get a good trip and the winner who is a good horse had a dream trip. Mint Lane created his own trip but he's much more experienced than Unbridled's Heart. I think Unbridled's Heart will improve off this race. The Dwyer looks like a good race to make is his start unless they decide to run in a non winners of 1. If he improves and runs a good race, he can run in the Jim Dandy and the Travers.[/QUOTE

that would be ambitious, especially off of todays effort

UH is a lightly raced horse. The possibility of upside exists. But we'll find out soon if he is for real or not.

jcs11204 06-13-2008 07:50 PM

[quote=pick4]
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Originally Posted by jcs11204

UH is a lightly raced horse. The possibility of upside exists. But we'll find out soon if he is for real or not.

i get accused a lot on this website of falling in love with every horse that runs good.... i never touted UH once, i dont like him, never did like him, and dont think he will turn out to be anything close to a travers winner. decent horse maybe, but hes no ROMAN EMPEROR

Coach Pants 06-13-2008 07:57 PM

So much for taking a day off, eh Action Jackson?

pick4 06-13-2008 07:59 PM

[quote=jcs11204]
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Originally Posted by pick4
i get accused a lot on this website of falling in love with every horse that runs good.... i never touted UH once, i dont like him, never did like him, and dont think he will turn out to be anything close to a travers winner. decent horse maybe, but hes no ROMAN EMPEROR

I wouldn't worry about other peoples opinions if I was you. The great thing about a messageboard such as this is you can exchange opinions with people who have pretty good knowledge of horse racing. Difference of opinions brings out the best. Sometimes people get offended by the written word and an argument ensues. I have strong opinions but I try to keep an open mind to other points of view. A lot of times I'm wrong and I learn a few things and sometimes I'm right and learn new ideas.

jcs11204 06-13-2008 08:01 PM

[quote=pick4]
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Originally Posted by jcs11204

I wouldn't worry about other peoples opinions if I was you. The great thing about a messageboard such as this is you can exchange opinions with people who have pretty good knowledge of horse racing. Difference of opinions brings out the best. Sometimes people get offended by the written word and an argument ensues. I have strong opinions but I try to keep an open mind to other points of view. A lot of times I'm wrong and I learn a few things and sometimes I'm right and learn new ideas.

the roman emperor thing was a joke... well kind of a joke, i do like him

jcs11204 06-13-2008 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
So much for taking a day off, eh Action Jackson?

please dont speak to me, are friendship is over

Coach Pants 06-13-2008 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204
please dont speak to me, are friendship is over

I want to stab my eyes out.

jcs11204 06-13-2008 08:23 PM

you 2 must be in some sort of realtionship, lovers ? there are many threads where you guys gang up on ppl together..... is it true ?

Danzig 06-13-2008 08:30 PM

[quote=jcs11204]
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Originally Posted by pick4
i get accused a lot on this website of falling in love with every horse that runs good.... i never touted UH once, i dont like him, never did like him, and dont think he will turn out to be anything close to a travers winner. decent horse maybe, but hes no ROMAN EMPEROR

this type of thinking may explain your lack of success at the windows. bet the best choice, not the one you like-and don't ignore those you don't like.

i always found that thought process kind of flawed anyway. how can you 'not like' a horse? you can think a horse is a bad bet, but it's nothing personal.

but then, you did say you look at cards searching for giant's causeways-so i think you've got a way to go before you should start throwing serious money at the tellers.

jcs11204 06-13-2008 08:31 PM

[quote=Danzig]
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Originally Posted by jcs11204

this type of thinking may explain your lack of success at the windows. bet the best choice, not the one you like-and don't ignore those you don't like.

i always found that thought process kind of flawed anyway. how can you 'not like' a horse? you can think a horse is a bad bet, but it's nothing personal.

but then, you did say you look at cards searching for giant's causeways-so i think you've got a way to go before you should start throwing serious money at the tellers.

when i say dont like, i dont mean a dislike, not in the way your making it out to be, i dont dislike any horse... i guess i mean not nearly as much as everyone else on here, especially the ppl who were making him a top 3, 3yr old off of a maiden win

pick4 06-13-2008 08:34 PM

[quote=jcs11204]
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Originally Posted by pick4
the roman emperor thing was a joke... well kind of a joke, i do like him

He beat the Belmont winner in the Sir Barton, the same race that Sarava ran in. Only 2 Belmonts I attended with TC on the line were 02, and 08 and the winner of the Belmont last raced in the Sir Barton on Preakness day.

Danzig 06-13-2008 08:34 PM

[quote=jcs11204]
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Originally Posted by Danzig
when i say dont like, i dont mean a dislike, not in the way your making it out to be, i dont dislike any horse... i guess i mean not nearly as much as everyone else on here, especially the ppl who were making him a top 3, 3yr old off of a maiden win

considering the state of affairs all year with the 3 yo's, it's hard to say who is good or not. unbridleds heart had a very good maiden win. so he didn't back it up, yet. doesn't mean he won't.
i saw that georgie boy is back in training, that's one to keep an eye out for. also saw the news that adriano is moving to bill mott, motion lost about a dozen horses or so. still only halfway thru the year, things are only about to get more interesting.

pick4 06-13-2008 08:37 PM

[quote=Danzig]
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Originally Posted by jcs11204

considering the state of affairs all year with the 3 yo's, it's hard to say who is good or not. unbridleds heart had a very good maiden win. so he didn't back it up, yet. doesn't mean he won't.
i saw that georgie boy is back in training, that's one to keep an eye out for. also saw the news that adriano is moving to bill mott, motion lost about a dozen horses or so. still only halfway thru the year, things are only about to get more interesting.

Malibu would be good race for Georgie Boy to point to. He's a Calbred and could prep in the stakes day for Cal bred at Oak Tree.


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