Why, I am doing some homework and just wanted to comment. Think it is cool that is all...

I bet the damn 3 horse in that race and didn't have the exacta, moronic....

Silver Train was more a horse for the barn.....Dutrow's barn.

He was nothing before the trainer change.

Running here is hardly sporting.

This is why the actual "value" will be on me, even though I'll be a lower price. This is great.

The drive-thru closed early tonight?

From a breeding perspective I'm sure he'd be worth much more if he won some big races over here than in Japan. . . The purses there are huge but the competition is weak(er) and the breeding industry isn't as big. . .

That's true but he did run his best races on Belmont Park's main track.

I agree that Silver Train improved ten fold once he entered the Dutrow Jr. barn. We all know about Dutrows rep, the suspensions , etc. I just realized that July 2, 2005 race took place when Dutrow was on suspension. That was also the day when Offlee Wild won his Grade 1 race with Juan Rodriguez as the listed trainer.

How do you think Dutrow Jr does it? He improves the lowest of quality horses just as he does with top class horses. The detention barn is in place and his numbers are basically the same. He's won BC races. If he is as dirty as people say why doesn't he get caught with major raceday drug violations?

They can't detect everything. . .

Scuds knows but he wont tell me.

Is he that more clever than everyone?

I know people root against him and that's fine. I just think it's foolish if one allows their distain towards Dutrow Jr. influence their handicapping and wagering on races which he has horses entered.

You think he's the only one with mysterious move-ups, etc?

anabolic steroids are legal & considered to be a beneficial run-of-the-mill medication.

a little research shows painkillers are very popular

then we have chemicals that build your stamina like epo

and stuff we don't even know about.

if the barn and the investors have no moral objection, some of these outfits use everything possible

Of course not, I'm not that naive. I'm not saying he's doping his horses. It's rare to see a trainer equally adept at handling 10,000 claimers and horses who win Grade 1 races. He's not the first with this skill and he won't be the last.

I wouldn't call it skill. . .

Call it whatever you want. His record of winning races speaks for itself.

I'm not trying to be a wise guy here. I've asked the question about Dutrow Jr. that I posed in an earlier post a few times to various people but the answers are pure speculation that he is a cheat and gets away with it.


He's a tenth grade dropout and that does not imply that he is unintelligent. It's obvious he has above average ability in managing racehorses. I doubt he spent much time studying science in school.

I recall Steve Allday saying he is a cheater but where is the concrete proof.

Allday saying it is pretty good proof. . . But all you have to do is look at his horse's PPs to know something's up. . . And his record of positives. . .

Do you really think he's a better horseman than a guy like Mott?

Allday was Dutrow Jr's vet and they had a parting of the ways. After the breakup Allday calls in to Steve's show and made the claim that Dutrow Jr is dirty.

Why was he Dutrow Jr's vet for so long? What caused the parting of the ways?

Allday might be correct and I'm just playing devils advocate here. In four weeks there is a pretty good chance that Richard Dutrow Jr will join the select few who have trained a Triple Crown winner

1919 Bedwell
1930 Fitzsimmons
1935 Fitzsimmons
1937 Conway
1941 Jones
1943 Cameron
1946 Hirsch
1948 Jones
1973 Laurin
1977 Turner, Jr.
1978 Barrera
2008 ???????....Dutrow, Jr.

pure speculation doesn't get someone suspended repeatedly. dutrow was suspended for two separate drug violations, as well as a claiming violation, when st liam ran in the stephen foster-under bobby frankels name. then dutrow was suspended for violating terms of yet another drug suspension. google his name, you'll see for yourself. every year for at least the last ten, he's been in trouble-six states at least. then there's woodbine-he served a 14 day suspension for lying in an investigation about a horse he ran up there.
it's a lot of things, but speculation isn't one of them. dutrow has even said he deserved at least half of his suspensions. just because he isn't repentant doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Half of the dirt horses in America, KEE.

i think you mean wild desert in the 2005 Queen's Plate at Woodbine - not a claim violation but a workout violation and misleading info - but we get the idea

That's just not true. Some of them handled it but just didn't run well. PYRO would be one example. But, feel free to generalize.

Oh, you mean like calling everyone who works for Churchill Downs "****ing RETARDS" because one replay didn't go up on their site?

NYRA will need to provide windows with Japanese speaking clerks-otherwise the betting on the day will go into meltdown.

I reckon there were 10,000 Japanese who went to Longchamp to see Deep Impact. Longchamp provided 2 windows for Japanese bettors. Average length of each line was 200 during the day-possibly peaking at around 500.

Combine that with a possible Triple Crown attempt by Big Brown-thousands of 1st time bettors and once a year people...plus any protestors outside or inside the track....

Desormeaux actually DID say it, tongue in cheek, but was seriously impressed after the race.

You think 10K Japanese strong are going to make a trip halfway around the world to watch and bet on a horse who made one career start over there?

I know they tend to be pretty obsessed with the sport and love to bet - but I doubt that horse built a huge fan base with a single odds-on maiden win.

Last year's 2-year-old champion in Japan came from a juvenile sale here - and they bought up many excellent athletes at juvenile sales this year - most of which I assume will be sent over there. I guess that is what happens when the value of the American dollar tanks.

Major stallions and top horses A.P. Indy, Unbridled's Song, and Fusaichi Pegasus all had a big chance to go to Japan and race - none of which did. Tomo Tsuramaki and Fusao Sekaguchi kept A. P. Indy and Fu Peg here - probably because both were outright Keeneland July Select yearling sales toppers - where UBS was, at the time, the most expensive horse ever purchased from a 2yo in training sale - but the day after the sale they found "a flake" in his ankle and the sale was voided.

There was a noticeable number of Japanese at Belmont yesterday..

I think I'm turning Japanese

I think he's right, the Japanese will come out bigtime for the Belmont. They're rabid about horse racing and love to support their own. Once on a business trip to Japan I somehow:rolleyes: managed to find the time to visit an OTB in Tokyo. omg what a madhouse

Early reports are he got a 101 beyer for the effort? I thought it would have been slightly higher. Still needs to improve abit to reach Big Brown and Harlem Rocker's top beyers.

I don't think that they will come over in Deep Impact numbers but I think a large number will be swayed into making the trip if the Triple Crown is on the line. If Casino Drive wins-history is made. If not they may well see a Triple Crown.

Well, I'm a big figure believer/user, but the Beyers don't do the actual running.

It was Casino Drive's 2nd.. SECOND.. career start. And off a layoff. He was absolutely terrific. And should only be better in 4 weeks.

In addition to the info above:

The Trainer for the Japanese entry 'Kazuo Fujisawa' is currently 10th in the Trainer standings in Japan as of the end of April 2008. His strike rate is a respectable 16.2% - from 74 entries.

beat me to it HHH...

The Belmont could turn in to a really colourful event.. he is trying to be the first foreign trained winner of a triple crown since Go and Go??

Great "new wave" one hit wonder from fall of 1980.....let's hope Casino Drive isn't! :D

I agree it was a good performance considering it was only his second career performance, can't take that away from him one bit. All the credit to his connections for shipping in. I only have 1 concern what was the quality of the field he beat yesterday? I think the telling sign was Mint Lane holding on for second off of a very fair pace. No one else was making an impact down the stretch when perhaps they should have been.

Someone who posts on another board lives in Japan and follows Japanese racing - she also provides updates on Japanese horses, etc....... Apparently the man who owns Casino Drive is anxious to get in all the right circles (royalty, celebrity, etc.......) - he's also a sporting man and therefore it seems natural that he would point for the Belmont. I asked what she thought his plans for the colt would be after the Belmont (return to Japan for the Japan Dirt Cup, then point for a 4 year old campaign in the US? Stay in the US?) and even she's not sure. I hope the owner does not try to point CD to only the biggest races in the world and show up for the Arc just to get into high -class circles.........he's not exactly bred for turf and he could be a fun horse to watch in the US.

If I recall, AP Indy's owner (Tsurumaki) bought another yearling besides Indy - turned out to be AP Jet. AP Jet was sent to Japan because he was more precocious - lucky for US racing and breeding that Indy was later developing. He was also not interested in breeding at all, which is why he remained in the US for his stud career. I'm not sure the owner of Casino Drive has enough of a track record for us to make any kind of determination as to the colt's future.

Yes, but CD won easily - it's not like had had a hard time with this field. He won off as easy as could be despite not being sharp - he did overcome a lot of obstacles - and not breaking well. Given those obstacles, I'm not sure that it means anything that he didn't beat much.

The field was OK. I personally like Mint Lane a great deal.. think he's a real horse.. and played him accordingly yesterday at what was a big overlay number. He went a lot faster than J. Jerkens was hoping for, and while no match for the winner, ran a very nice race.

Casino Drive's running style is exceedingly conducive for the Belmont... (And I'm not going to state the obvious about him being bred well for Belmont Stakes success..;) )