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2Hot4TV 05-09-2008 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
I get it the jockey will make the horse go faster...

Yes, when we are talking about "last out of the gate" and "# 5 path" Alex Solis. I understand even Bruce Headley has told Alex that " It's been nice, but not that nice"

pmacdaddy 05-09-2008 06:29 PM

What did Icabad put up in the Tesio? 96-98?

hockey2315 05-09-2008 06:32 PM

86

Payson Dave 05-09-2008 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
No.

No you won't excuse the ignorance or no he won't see 4/5....or both

pmacdaddy 05-09-2008 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315
86

Thanks.

Thought it was higher for whatever reason. Still always liked that guy. Although, very deep waters here.

Cannon Shell 05-09-2008 07:12 PM

BB and the 11 dwarfs

XIIPointStables 05-09-2008 07:25 PM

We want Rocker...da da dadada....

Put him in Pletcher!

Oaklawnfan 05-09-2008 09:53 PM

Seriously, Is "Behindatthebar" part of an exotic? I really kind of like the way this race is shaping up. It's turning into another horserace.

freddymo 05-10-2008 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
BB and the 11 dwarfs

Little Horses please!!! This is a PC Board..

Is it possible this colt races at four? Do you see a line forming around the block to breed to a Boundary? Other then Claiborne who will want to stand this guy? I guess if and when he wins the TC there will be a lot of interest but I just don't see to many folks getting excited to breed to him..

hockey2315 05-10-2008 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
Little Horses please!!! This is a PC Board..

Is it possible this colt races at four? Do you see a line forming around the block to breed to a Boundary? Other then Claiborne who will want to stand this guy? I guess if and when he wins the TC there will be a lot of interest but I just don't see to many folks getting excited to breed to him..

No

Danzig 05-10-2008 02:14 PM

recapturetheglory won't be in the preakness due to a fever. big brown is now the only one of the 20 derby starters moving on to the preakness.

ShadowRoll 05-10-2008 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
recapturetheglory won't be in the preakness due to a fever. big brown is now the only one of the 20 derby starters moving on to the preakness.

http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/rac...s-on-hold.aspx

Payson Dave 05-10-2008 02:26 PM

DRF workout search does not show a workout for Harlem Rocker for this morning.

Danzig 05-10-2008 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ShadowRoll


http://www.drf.com/news/article/94448.html

Kasept 05-10-2008 02:46 PM

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Danzig 05-10-2008 09:02 PM

macho again may run in the preakness after all....
a full field is still very much a possibility.

ateamstupid 05-10-2008 11:26 PM

Recapturetheglory spiked a fever and is out of the Preakness, so we're down to 11.

Samarta 05-11-2008 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Recapturetheglory spiked a fever and is out of the Preakness, so we're down to 11.

I just read a post on another site where this horse might be in a lot worse shape than just a fever.....anyone else heard anything?

Kasept 05-11-2008 09:54 AM

Doesn't appear that Harlem Rocker made the worktab today... :confused:

Will try to find out what's up...

CSC 05-11-2008 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
Doesn't appear that Harlem Rocker made the worktab today... :confused:

Will try to find out what's up...

I was just about to post the same, no workout on the Belmont tab unless Todd snuck him out very, very early in the morning...I see Panty Raid is on the worktab so it's not like he is not working his horses this morning...What does this mean?

Better Than Honour 05-11-2008 11:00 AM

I hope that Harlem Rocker doesn't go. I would really like to see Big Brown go to NY with the triple crown on the line. I could see Harlem Rocker beating him and I don't want Casino Drive 1-5 when Big Brown doesn't show up.

It would be great to have the triple crown on the line for BB and a possible 3-peat for Better Than Honour. Horse racing is a weird sport though. Denis of Cork will probably come in and beat them both.

zippyneedsawin 05-11-2008 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Better Than Honour
I hope that Harlem Rocker doesn't go. I would really like to see Big Brown go to NY with the triple crown on the line. I could see Harlem Rocker beating him and I don't want Casino Drive 1-5 when Big Brown doesn't show up.

It would be great to have the triple crown on the line for BB and a possible 3-peat for Better Than Honour. Horse racing is a weird sport though. Denis of Cork will probably come in and beat them both.


If that scenario happens, which it probably won't.. It would be great if Casino Drive was odds-on in the Belmont.. so I can bet against him!

CSC 05-11-2008 11:19 AM

Well I get the feeling Harlem Rocker will be heading into the Preakness if and when we get word of his work this morning. I read this morning that Stronach was in favour of the Preakness as opposed to The Plate Trial with the option of the Queens Plate later on, but was leaving the decision up to Pletcher, thus this morning's work was vital. The lack of information is quite a head scratcher? If he goes to the Preakness, he is obviously the only horse that can give Big Brown a race Saturday.

Storm Cadet 05-11-2008 11:30 AM

Recapture the Glory out of Preakness
 
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/hor...ory?id=3389960

Better Than Honour 05-11-2008 11:49 AM

Apparently he is in much worse shape than people thought.

Better Than Honour 05-11-2008 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by CSC
Well I get the feeling Harlem Rocker will be heading into the Preakness if and when we get word of his work this morning. I read this morning that Stronach was in favour of the Preakness as opposed to The Plate Trial with the option of the Queens Plate later on, but was leaving the decision up to Pletcher, thus this morning's work was vital. The lack of information is quite a head scratcher? If he goes to the Preakness, he is obviously the only horse that can give Big Brown a race Saturday.

I think you are correct. They aren't going to miss their shot to take him down and even if he doesn't it is a nice prep. He is going to the Queens Plate no matter what and even if he did run second here I am sure they would be happy.

Danzig 05-11-2008 12:15 PM

I don't know that it's apparent. He ran a fever, and had a slight pulse in one foot. He never lost his appetite, which is a good sign.

hockey2315 05-11-2008 12:24 PM

Looks like he worked pretty well so I'm hoping he goes. . .

TheSpyder 05-11-2008 12:29 PM

Harlem Rocker1:00.10B 3

Danzig 05-11-2008 12:29 PM

Assistant trainer Lara Van Deren said fifth-place Kentucky Derby finisher Recapturetheglory was doing much better May 11, a day after running a 102-degree temperature.

“Yesterday was real tough,” Van Deren said. “He will probably leave tomorrow for Chicago and miss three or four days of training.”

Owned by trainer Louie Roussel III and Ronald Lamarque, Recapturetheglory was on track to leave Churchill Downs May 10 for Baltimore and a start in the Preakness before the fever knocked him out of the race.

hockey2315 05-11-2008 12:37 PM

Just read on thedowneyprofile.com that Pletcher isn't making the announcement until Monday or Tuesday. . .

ddthetide 05-11-2008 12:53 PM

any news on the Blackeyed Susan possible entries?

XIIPointStables 05-11-2008 02:20 PM

From the Harlem Rocket department....

``That was the best I’ve ever seen the gray horse work,’’ Pletcher said of Harlem Rocker. ``He’s not traditionally a real willing horse, he was very willing this morning.’’

Here is the link to the story:

http://drf.com/news/article/94468.html

My gut says: he's going.

CSC 05-11-2008 03:14 PM

HARLEM ROCKER (ON) worked 1:00.10 b 3/32 today according to Equibase not DRF.

Alan07 05-11-2008 05:42 PM

Where's Friday's Pimlico entries?

ddthetide 05-11-2008 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan07
Where's Friday's Pimlico entries?

http://www.drf.com/entries/16/ePIM16.html?rn=621294

Kasept 05-11-2008 07:32 PM

BIG BROWN – Sunday’s assignment for the Kentucky Derby winner was a one-mile jog with a pony over the muddy track at Churchill Downs. Regular rider Michelle Nevin was aboard the son of Boundary, who will continue his Triple Crown quest in Saturday’s $1 million Preakness Stakes (G1) at Pimlico Race Course. Since Big Brown’s Derby win, trainer Rick Dutrow has limited the colt’s exercise to jogging whenever the track has been wet. With only two weeks between the Derby and the Preakness, Dutrow is determined not to put any stress on the unbeaten colt.

“I figure the lighter I train him the better, because everyone can see that he’s fit,” Dutrow said during the NTRA conference call on Thursday. “He’s got plenty of talent so I don’t want to squeeze anything out of him. If someone makes him run in the afternoon he’ll at least have it left in him. It’s as slow and easy with this horse as I can.”

Big Brown is scheduled to ship from Louisville to Pimlico on Wednesday.


BEHINDATTHEBAR/HARLEM ROCKER – The Todd Pletcher-trained colts turned in nearly identical five-furlong works Sunday morning over the Belmont Park training track. Harlem Rocker, the Canadian-bred winner of the Withers, was a tad faster with a time of 1:00.10. It was the third-fastest of 32 works at the distance. Pletcher described the workout as “dynamite,” but said that a decision on Harlem Rocker’s status for Saturday’s Preakness Stakes would not be made until Wednesday morning.

Harlem Rocker, owned by Magna Entertainment chairman Frank Stronach, is unbeaten in three career starts. He broke his maiden at Gulfstream Park on February 14, added an allowance victory on March 30 and won the Withers (G3) at Aqueduct on April 26. Behindatthebar, the Lexington Stakes (G2) winner, breezed five furlongs in 1:00.13, the fourth-fastest at the distance in preparation for his scheduled start in the Middle Jewel of the Triple Crown at Pimlico. In a five-race career,

Behindatthebar, a son of Forest Wildcat, has a record of 3-1-0 and earnings of $277,100. His only off-the-board finish was a fifth in the El Camino Real Derby (G3) at Bay Meadows on March 8. Since then, he has won an allowance race at Santa Anita and came from well off the pace at Keeneland to win the Lexington by one length.


GIANT MOON - Trainer Richard Schosberg said Sunday that the stormy weather forecast for New York will determine what type of workout the colt will have this week.

“He’s doing great,” Schosberg said. “He had a good breeze last week and a good gallop today over the main track. We’ll train him according to the weather over the next few days. We’ll see. It looks like we’ve got a nice Nor’easter to throw a curve to us.”

Giant Moon galloped 1-3/8 miles Sunday morning at Belmont Park.

Schosberg intends to put another breeze into the Giant’s Causeway colt at Belmont. He said the heavy rain expected on Sunday night and Monday will affect when and what he does with the colt. “He’ll blow out if we’re real close or we’ll let him stretch his legs for a half-mile, depending on what day it is,” Schosberg said.


HEY BYRN – Beatrice Oxenberg’s Hey Byrn galloped 1½ miles under exercise rider Peter Shelton at Calder Race Course Sunday morning. The Eddie Plesa-trained colt is scheduled to van from Miami Monday and is due to arrive at Pimlico Tuesday morning. Hey Byrn most recently scored a 2½-length triumph in the Holy Bull Stakes (G3) at Gulfstream Park on April 12, but lacked the graded-stakes earnings to qualify for the 20-horse Kentucky Derby field. “It was a disappointment, but it wasn’t earth shattering,” Plesa said. “(Mrs. Oxenberg) understood that he might not get in. She said, “If he gets in, he gets in.’”

The son of Put It Back has captured his first two races of the year before encountering considerable bumping at the start of the Florida Derby (G1) and finishing fourth behind subsequent Kentucky Derby winner Big Brown. “He made up some ground. He put in a good run between the three-eighths and the three-sixteenths poles before flattening out,” Plesa said. “(The bad start) kind of took its toll.”

C.C. Lopez, who scored aboard the Florida-bred colt in the Holy Bull, is slated to return to the saddle for the Preakness.


ICABAD CRANE – The Federico Tesio Stakes winner enjoyed a leisurely “hack” through the woods at Fair Hill Training Center Sunday morning. “He had an easy day,” said trainer Graham Motion, whose Preakness Stakes hopeful had worked five furlongs on Friday. Icabad Crane will continue to train at Fair Hill before vanning to Pimlico on Saturday morning.

“We don’t want to take him out of his routine,” Motion said. “We’ve had a lot of experience shipping horses on Preakness Day. It’s just an hour trip.” Earle Mack’s New York-bred colt has won three of his four lifetime starts, including a stretch-running half-length victory in the 1-1/8-mile Tesio.

“The Preakness was something we thought about right after the Tesio. He has a good race over the track,” Motion said. “He won the Tesio despite having some trouble, and the second-place finisher (Mint Lane) came back to finish second in the Peter Pan (on Saturday), which somewhat endorses the race.Jeremy Rose, who rode Afleet Alex to a Preakness victory in 2005, has the mount on Icabad Crane.


KENTUCKY BEAR – Assistant trainer Sherri Wickett and exercise rider/groom Cassie Garcia had the stakes barn to themselves Sunday morning with the third-place finisher from the Blue Grass (G1), who lacked sufficient earnings to make the Kentucky Derby field. “He’s been here since Wednesday and he’s doing really good,’’ Wickett said. “We worked yesterday (five furlongs in 1:01) with (jockey) Jamie (Theriot). He walked this morning. He’ll jog tomorrow and gallop the rest of the week.’’

Kentucky Bear, a son of Mr. Greeley, is even more lightly raced than probable Preakness favorite Big Brown. The Blue Grass was only his third career start. Unraced at 2, Kentucky Bear won his debut at Gulfstream Park going a mile and then was a wide seventh in the Fountain of Youth (G2) before finishing third behind Monba on Keeneland’s Polytrack surface.

This will be the first Preakness mount for Theriot, who finished third in the recent Keeneland rider standings. I rode him last year at Keeneland,’’ said trainer Reade Baker, who was back in Canada running horses at Woodbine. “He won a stake for me; that’s why I put him on the horse. I’m very happy where I am.’’ Kentucky Bear was schooled in the paddock before Sunday’s first race.


MACHO AGAIN – Trainer Dallas Stewart reported that Macho Again walked the shedrow Sunday morning after breezing an easy half-mile (:50.80) at Churchill Downs Saturday. The Derby Trial victor is scheduled to accompany Kentucky Derby winner Big Brown on a flight from Louisville to BWI Airport Wednesday afternoon.

“It’s kind of messed up. The plane’s scheduled to land at 5:30, right in the middle of rush hour,” Stewart said. Julien Leparoux has the return mount on the gray son of Macho Uno.


RACECAR RHAPSODY – The Tale of the Cat colt, who is trained by Ken McPeek, walked at Churchill Downs Sunday morning, the day after breezing five furlongs in 1:01. “He worked well and he ate up quick last night, so we’re encouraged. He’s in good shape.” McPeek said. “We realize we’re kind of up against it with a horse like Big Brown, if he runs his race, but we feel like we’ll be competitive otherwise.”

Racecar Rhapsody will be ridden by Robby Albarado, winner of the Preakness last year aboard Curlin. The Kentucky-bred colt finished fourth in the Lexington Stakes (G2), beaten two lengths, in his last start on April 19. The colt is one of the 11 challengers ready to line up against Kentucky Derby winner Big Brown.

“With us, it was more timing and distance,” McPeek said. “It really didn’t have anything to do with what everybody else is doing. The horse is doing well. It’s kind of an opportunity to see how good he is at a mile and three-sixteenths. He’s been competitive everywhere we’ve run him. He hasn’t had the cleanest of trips historically, but maybe he’s due.”

McPeek said Racecar Rhapsody will ship from Kentucky to Baltimore on Wednesday.


RILEY TUCKER – Trainer Bill Mott said the son of Harlan’s Holiday would remain in New York until “Wednesday or Thursday’’ in hopes of getting a final work in during the next 48 hours.

“He’ll work at Belmont as soon as we get a good race track,’’ said Mott of Zayat Stable’s 3-year-old, who shows only one victory from seven starts, that coming in his debut last July. “It’s calling for rain Monday, so we’re hoping to get on the track Tuesday.’

Riley Tucker figures to be one of the longer shots on the board in the Preakness field, but he has been in the money in his last three starts. He was a close third in the Lexington (G2) on April 19 at Keeneland in his most recent outing.


STEVIL – The son of Maria’s Mon galloped 1 ½ miles at Churchill Downs Sunday morning under exercise rider Dylan Armstrong in preparation for a final scheduled blowout on Monday morning. “He’ll work if the weather permits,’’ said Zito from Louisville, confirming a plan to ship to Pimlico on Tuesday. “Right now it’s raining and the conditions aren’t too good.’’

John Velazquez will be aboard the Robert LaPenta-owned colt, who was fourth in the Blue Grass (G1) in his most recent outing. Velazquez will be the fifth different rider for Stevil, who hasn’t visited the winner’s circle in five starts since breaking his maiden in his first race last October at Belmont Park.


TRES BORRACHOS – The third-place finisher in the Arkansas Derby donned blinkers for the first time Sunday morning for a 1 ½-mile gallop at Churchill Downs under exercise rider Andy Durnin. “In his races, horses would come up to him and he’d back up a little and then come again,” said trainer Beau Greely, who is also part-owner of the son of Ecton Park with Phil Houchens and John Greely IV. “It looks like he was relaxed galloping today. He may have them on when he works Tuesday and then we’ll make a decision.’’

Tres Borrachos has shown speed in several of his seven career starts, but has won only once against maidens. He was third in the El Camino Real Derby (G3) at Golden Gate Fields on March 8 and then finished nearly five lengths behind Gayego in the Arkansas Derby (G2) after dueling with the winner for nearly a mile.


YANKEE BRAVO – Trainer Paddy Gallagher reported that Yankee Bravo jogged twice around the track at Hollywood Park Sunday morning. The son of Yankee Gentleman, who was excluded from the 20-horse Kentucky Derby field due to a lack of graded-stakes earnings, will be making only his second start on a conventional dirt track in the Preakness. After winning his first two starts on turf and capturing the California Derby over Golden Gate Field’s synthetic surface, Yankee Bravo closed to finish third behind Pyro in the Louisiana Derby (G2) over Fair Grounds’ dirt track.

“I thought he ran a nice race in Louisiana in his first time on dirt,” said Gallagher, whose colt will be ridden by Alex Solis Saturday. “Alex said that he was climbing a little at first but that he leveled off and handled it fine.” Yankee Bravo, who is scheduled to fly from Southern California to Baltimore on Wednesday morning, finished fourth behind Colonel John in the Santa Anita Derby in his most recent start.

CSC 05-12-2008 07:57 AM

It's not official yet but it's almost certain to happen now.

Trainer Todd Pletcher can't confirm if Harlem Rocker will start in Saturday's Preakness Stakes until he talks to owner Frank Stronach.

But if the decision were up to the 40-year-old trainer, Harlem Rocker would be in the starting gate against Derby winner Big Brown, Pletcher said after watching the colt work five furlongs in 1:00.10 Sunday morning over Belmont's training track.

"I thought the horse worked extremely well," Pletcher said. "His work this morning was very, very good. I'm going to recommend to the Stronachs that he runs. Obviously it's their decision."


Pletcher hopes to talk Monday to Stronach, who is in Austria.

CSC 05-12-2008 08:12 AM

By The way if he(Harlem Rocker) goes, I'm certainly going to bet him. Unfortunately he is the only logical choice to upset BB and he may be a wiseguy pick by default. But any reproduction of the Withers race and or improvement he should post a very good result.

CSC 05-12-2008 10:19 AM

According to Adena racing venture..."Mr Stronach has decided against the Preakness for Harlem Rocker (15). The focus will remain on the Queen's Plate.

I was wrong. Surprised to say the least.


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