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kentuckyrosesinmay 03-17-2008 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Payson Dave
not that I would hold something like that against ya....but I don't think that was what was being discussed...

Sorry, response to IDs comment and some other previous comments in this thread.

Horses...

Coach Pants 03-17-2008 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay
Sorry, response to IDs comment and some other previous comments in this thread.

I didn't notice anything wrong with his comment. Don't you use different tools to pick winners with?

Indian Charlie 03-17-2008 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
I didn't notice anything wrong with his comment. Don't you use different tools to pick winners with?

hey, when are you going to post her pictures?

Coach Pants 03-17-2008 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
hey, when are you going to post her pictures?

I'll get darted.

kentuckyrosesinmay 03-17-2008 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer
Nobody is implying that there is not a single horse that will turn in some fast races, or will turn out to be a good horse later this year, as far as I can tell.

The point is that right now, as of this very minute, this crop is slow in comparison to past groups.

No amount of obnoxious spin can change that.

Maybe my problem is that I always look to the future, and that I am not so quick to say that a good thing is bad because the experts say so.

freddymo 03-17-2008 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay
Maybe my problem is that I always look to the future, and that I am not so quick to say that a good thing is bad because the experts say so.

Actually your problem is that you really have way to much to say for someone who should be learning from people who know far more then you about racing

Cajungator26 03-17-2008 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
Actually your problem is that you really have way to much to say for someone who should be learning from people who know far more then you about racing

That would be TOO. :D


















































I will hide now.

Cajungator26 03-17-2008 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
If you need winners just ask Bruce. No need to play these games. I can't promise the same kind of success i've had so far this year, but hopefully it's close.

Good... hook a sista up.

GPK 03-17-2008 03:34 PM

I haven't seen it mentioned in this thread anywhere.

Does anyone know if Visionare switched leads in his last race?

brianwspencer 03-17-2008 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK
I haven't seen it mentioned in this thread anywhere.

Does anyone know if Visionare switched leads in his last race?

No he didn't. I saw it on the TV.

Cajungator26 03-17-2008 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
What will you do for me?

Lose every dime you give me on Court Vision in the Derby. :)

Cajungator26 03-17-2008 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I hope you are betting him to show.

Only if you insist.

GPK 03-17-2008 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Let me go back through and read it again and I'll let you know.


slicing your throat may prove less painful Hossy...

kentuckyrosesinmay 03-17-2008 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
Actually your problem is that you really have way to much to say for someone who should be learning from people who know far more then you about racing

You're right. I'm only 22...be 23 soon enough. What would I know?

Coach Pants 03-17-2008 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay
You're right. I'm only 22...be 23 soon enough. What would I know?

How to properly pour a body shot?

kentuckyrosesinmay 03-17-2008 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
How to properly pour a body shot?

What's a body shot? I don't know much about drinking. I don't drink very much.

GPK 03-17-2008 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Just checked Kev. Haven't seen it mentioned, but maybe someone who has seen the race can help you out.

Im too shy to ask.

Danzig 03-17-2008 07:03 PM

wouldn't it make more sense to go over all the various speed figures, all the tools at your disposal, and use that to make a judgement? rather than make a judgement, find there's nothing to back it up, so you throw out all the tools that are normally used (because they don't back up a preconceived notion)and shout 'but i know better'?

horses don't become fast because you want them to be fast. it seems that this crop, to this point, is not showing forward progress. no matter how much anyone may want to have a good crop, it won't always be the case. i'd say the last couple years have spoiled us...

kentuckyrosesinmay 03-17-2008 08:35 PM

Does anyone think that Pyro wouldn't have gotten an 100 or 100+ Beyer had he been in the Gotham with the better set up (faster early pace) being that Visionaire received a 98?

I certainly think that Pyro would have broken that barrier.

Ok...just looked the Beyers up...

At this point last year...Curlin's highest BSF was a 101. Hard Spun's highest BSF was a 95 and Street Sense's highest BSF was a 108 (Juvy), and he had two triple-digit BSFs (including the Juvy). His other figure was a 102.

There were 6 horses that ran triple digit BSFs that started in the derby at this time last year. 2 of these 6 horses got there triple digit figures in a mile or less. The rest of last year's derby starters either didn't break the triple digit barrier, or didn't get the triple digit figure until their last start before the derby.

2006 was a year where a lot of horses ran triple digit beyers.

2005....5 derby starters had earned triple digit beyers at this time. 3 of those five horses had earned the triple digit beyers in races of a mile or less.

Gayego, War Pass, Big Brown, Georgie Boy, Bob Black Jack, and Pyro have triple digit BSFs, and there might be a few that I am leaving out from last year besides Pyro and War Pass on the TC trail. I would have to look it up. However, based on these numbers, I don't really understand why the number people are calling this group slow in relation to last year's crop and the 2005 crop at this time. I guess last year's crop was slow too based on the data.

dylbert 03-17-2008 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
How slow is this bunch? Well, 4 of the top 5 two turn route figs have been turned in by fillies... The boys are embarassingly bad.


2 turn routes:

Alina (f) DED 01 Mar 1M 100
Eight Belles (f) FG 21 Jan 1M 40Y 100
Indian Blessing (f) FG 09 Feb 1 1/16M 99
Proud Spell (f) FG 08 Mar 1 1/16M 99

Another interesting fact -- the four fillies have done their bidding at Louisiana tracks. I watched Alina race online that night from Delta Downs. She won by over 18 (yes, 18) lengths. It was obvious that she was really moving. However, when BSF got posted that week I was amazed. Waiting for her next move...

slotdirt 03-19-2008 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay
What's a body shot? I don't know much about drinking. I don't drink very much.

It might not hurt to start.

SniperSB23 03-19-2008 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay
It's official. This is a year where beyers are meaningless leading up to the Derby. These horses are not slow.

No way in hell if we had forum Survivor I'd be voting off KYRIM. Where else can you get brilliant insight like this?

Cajungator26 03-19-2008 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
No way in hell if we had forum Survivor I'd be voting off KYRIM. Where else can you get brilliant insight like this?

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