You and all the people that still owe me money--ha ha. Well it is good that you can out of hiding. Someone with your wit, charm and smarts should not be hiding.

The holiday season always brings me joy. For me, it isn't about me or my family-we have enough. I believe it is to help the less fortunate. So if you and your family need any help, please let me know.

Well looking into the horses eye's is sort of like looking into the eyes or a person you are hiring better, the girl who sweeps you off of your feet or even looking into the eyes of someone dying. The good ones always have that special look to them. They look at you with confidence and with a sense of I am someone(thing) special. So I have helped you with understanding the non-verbal communication of eyes. As far as being a know-nothing idiot....well that will be very hard for you to learn. You are way way above that level.

You really are something else

lol... Must be tired of feuding with that orangatan-avatared Tom fella over at Pace Adv.... looking for an easier spot.

Dahoss is a very smart, well spoken, and a gifted handicapper. Aren't you Hossy?

I am easy. Nothing wrong with being easy at all. Just ask the women in DaHoss's life.

Do the current eligibilty rules for HOF membership rule Chris Antley out of consideration until about 2025 when he could be considered by the Historic Review Committee.

Tis the season to be jolly.

Ant
 

Lucas complained nearly a year after the Belmont, that Ant didn't come see how Charismatic was doing the day after the injury. What he didn't tell the reporter was that Ant flew to the West Coast the night of the Belmont Stakes and rode" Magicalmysterycat" to victory for Lucas the very next day in the Cinderella Stakes at Santa Anita. Lucas made several comments to reporters well after the Belmont race that he didn't think Ant rode Charismatic correctly that day. IMO he is still bitter about not winning the Triple Crown. Ant wasn't perfect, but there is no doubt his accomplishments on the track surely qualify him for the Hall of Fame.

He also talked about Antley never coming by the barn between races....I believe.

Antley gave Charismatic a horrendous ride in the Belmont. The unfortunate events after the race saved him from being murdered in the press.

Did anyone watch Pat Day on Legends? Stevens ask Day about his relationship with Lukas and all Day would say is that they had a love hate relationship. He elborated a little more stating that he would hire and fire Lukas and Lukas would hire and fire him. I got the impression that Day didn't want to talk about their relationship. A very awkward part of the interview.

Well, after Day's ride on North Sider at Belmont on Preakness Day of 1987 Day got an extended vacation and tongue lashing from Lukas.

dwl is a all time great..his list of accolades speaks for itself all the other crap is just that crap..many have had horses break down. and he was very good on the minimum wgt issue for jocks... THEY STAND TO MAKE ALOT OF MONEY.....THEY SHOULD WATCH THIER WIEGHT.... from a hbo jocks whinefest re cap on hbo sports..gotta love it..

Lucas "Charismatic was standing there in his stall, and we didn't know if he would live or die. Now, if you cared about the horse, don't you think you would walk the twenty feet to see him? I know I would. But he just got into the back of his limousine and drove away."

Lucas said this to a reporter at the barn after the Belmont, knowing full well he was riding Magicalmysterycat for him the next day in California. I can't see in any way how Lucas was being fair to Ant when he made that statement.

Well that ride was pretty awful and the "vacation" was well warranted.

Say what you want about DWL, but he has go down as true pioneer in training. You don't win championships in Quarter Horse and thoroughbreds by accident. He is a great horseman and demands perfection from everyone he employs.

I agree with everything you said. He dominated the game for a long time. But some of the statements made by Lucas after Antley's death were disturbing to me.

Maybe he grew tired of hearing embellished stories about Antley. I think perhaps you need to look at it at least a little from his perspective. Antley wasn't exactly the guy the media sometimes portrayed him to be. Don't get me wrong, I have a great deal of sympathy for his problems, a great deal, and I am genuinely sorry for what happened to him, and wish the media hadn't enabled him during the TC of 1999, and even said so then, but Antley didn't exactly always seperate his problems from his job. Lukas probably just got weary from hearing a whole lot of BS and sounded off. Would it have been better left unsaid? Perhaps.....but that doesn't make Lukas wrong.

Whatever happend between the two men is horrible. Antley with all the potential in the world and fell to addiction and Lukas a man who has accomplished everything in American racing but the Triple Crown. Very odd pair indeed.

I agree. Usually after someone's death people have enough class to either find something nice to say about them or nothing. D. Wayne didn't have a horse in the derby and, needing attention, thought it was a good time to publicly bring up the fact that Chris Antley never took a genuine interest in Charasmatic. Don't remember if he was asked or not.

side note.. I believe Laffit Pincay was supposed to ride Charismatic but stayed in California to ride Event of The Year who finished up the track.

I used to routinely toss his horses from my bet. Very few times has it cost me. I think he went 1 in 90 at Santa Anita. When he went to Oaklawn he turned thing around a little.

he's a terrible trainer. just look at the assistants he's employed. none of them ever accomplished much. if he was good you'd think one or two (or 1/2 dozen) of them would have become top trainers themselves.

btw: when i die i expect all of you to remain quiet.

The pagans thought the dead had more power than the living. Maybe it started there.

And no, I'm still out $25. Eric and Bob robbed me. I let it go. AS I understand it, Bold Brooklynite's wife is very sick with cancer, so I won't tempt the gods.

Success.

People now transfer that to Pletcher.

I assume that's why you don't like Lukas.

Trainers lose horses all the time. I'm not Lukas's biggest fan either but it's far from clear he is the butcher many portray him as compared to many top trainers.

As opposed to other trainers who's horses you have touted on this site?

Never challenged the facts. Wasn't about truth, it was about class.

Definately not jealous of D. Wayne Lukas. He only cost me money when I bet his horses.

I see.....it was Lukas's fault when you bet a horse he trained and it lost.

Thanks for clearing that up.

going wild got me twice..yet a have no hard feelings lol

The only problem I have with Lukas is this hard-on he has for Jockey's when it comes to the weight issue. He has no problem with a jockey basically slowly killing himself by flipping on a daily basis. He passes it off as basically the hazards that go along with the job.