nope.

new code of conduct came out this year.
also, not as tho vick has never had any other issues.

you have ron mexico, aka middle finger flipper at his own fans, aka fake water bottle with hidden compartment that smelled of pot (everyone is aware that drug testing takes place only during the season, right--and that incident was in the off season), aka liar to the commish, dog fighter, gambler, dog killler, bankroller of an ongoing criminal enterprise godfather vick. he's thru.

the ones who sicken me now aren't vick, it's those leaping to his defense, when what he has done is indefensible. he's a sick, twisted, perverted human being. two or three years from now, the next big things will be out. he'll get some press when he gets out, and he'll fade away like maurice clarett--that name ring a bell?

i see a guy below this post said this was ridiculous. no, it's not.
vick wasn't even in the top 20 in passer rating last year. even that old fart mark brunell had better numbers. i believe i heard he was at 52%....oh yeah, what a QB!!

he was a personality, a show, not a future hall of fame QB. not even close.

Yep! I understand the Afro-Ameican community remains distrustful of the legal system (with VERY good reason) but this isn't about color, this is about a soul-less coward commiting ungodly acts of cruelty...Kobe was treated differently as was Ray Lewis although speculation revolved concerning more serious crimes because the case against both was always questionable, certainly they should have had their day in court before any action by their leagues, I have said from the beginning that Vick deserved the same...well, Kobe's case was dismissed, it turned out there was no real evidence against Lewis....justice appears to have prevailed. Vick's case has always been hard to ignore because of the known evidence, then the sickening admissions by his "posse"...now, he appears willing to admit what kind of a human being he is...case closed as should be his pro career!

Question. Does anyone know how this would be treated if it had happened in one of the two states that this was not a felony?

Since the Feds have charged him, I don't see that it would be any different! The state Attorney General has yet to file state charges and probably won't. He crossed state lines and may even have organized crime involvement...wouldn't matter if he lived in Siberia! (joking).

hmmm

maybe you should be vicks lawyer. that would be a hell of a defense. but judge, it's not a felony everywhere. i don't think it's fair that my client was charged since he committed these crimes in the wrong state.


wtf does that have to do with anything? he's a criminal, having committed these crimes for about six years. ever since he was able to afford his very own illegal dog fighting operation. how proud everyone must be of him. i mean, of all the avenues available to him--he chose this one. what a great human being.:rolleyes:

i read yesterday that the state intends to press charges now and that they carry more than 5 yrs. IF that is the case, then his nfl career is over.
as it should be.

He was doing a really poor job of running the West Coast offense. They were not getting any better as a team offensively and Vick certainly was not improving at QB.
He was supposed to be the new breed of QB, the runner passer. It just did not work out as planned. And it was not going to work with the offense he was using.

Read articles about Vince Young and what kind of QB they wanted him to be and it was all, "be like McNair, not like Vick". McNair learned to play in the pocket. Vick still had not got it. This was all BEFORE the incident.

Sorry to inject the actual football side in what was a thread on deeds and punishment.

I'm going to challenge u. Find one post where I have said he's innocent, just ONE........and I'll leave this forum forever. I'm sure u can read Danzig. I said it was a QUESTION. I didn't know the answer and I was asking if anyone did. How about u provide me a list of questions that are suitable to u that I can ask. That would help me in my quest to please u.

oh don't be ridiculous. has nothing to do with whether you thought he was guilty, my opinion is that most hypothetical questions are silly and meaningless. but ask away, i'm certainly not any judge and jury. post what you want, i'll do the same.

The Atlanta Chapter of the NAACP says Vick should be allowed to play again after his rehabilitation. Stephon Marbury sees nothing wrong with dog fighting. Says its a sport just like hunting. Here it comes.


Meanwhile... 50 dogs owned by Vick will most likely be euthanized. They are the culled killers that are too dangerous to be kept.

It's a sad thing, but I understand why... :(

NAACP, ah this orginization is so messed up, does anyone actually listen anymore? They were all over the duke case and already had them convicted before all the evidence came out. Now we have vick who pleaded guilty and heres somebody saying he really didn't do anything wrong per se, he was just trying to limit his jail time because he was being railroaded by his friends. Vick pleaded guilty(I.E HE DID IT) and this guy wants us to be patient... He goes on to say that its sad that he pleaded guilty because now the true facts will probably never come to light.... Honestly can we just stop the blind trust here with the naacp.Just because he is a high profile black athlete does not mean they should feel obligated to defend him.

I think he plans to help OJ find the real killers after he gets out of jail.

Just listened to a sports radio talk show driving home from work. Plenty of callers that were quite obviously African American were saying Vick is being punished because white America loves dogs more than people...

Its going racial. I had a feeling.

Of course... it always seems to. I wish people could understand that sometimes it's NOT about race. In fact, most of the time it's not about race. It makes me sick...

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...ge=hill/070821

an excellent article, please read it.

i first heard about it while listening to the jim rome show, and this is the first chance i have had to read it.

No way....this card is pulled so often that noone even takes it seriously anymore.

That is a heck of a good article.

Misplaced allegiance.
Same thing I saw with Mike Tyson.
Stick by the bad boy.
That image is to be admired and will keep you proud.

I actually heard Stephen A. Smith say that any self-respecting black man should root for Tyson to beat Holyfield (first Fight) for obvious reasons (obvious to him anyway). I have not listened to ESPN lately; Steven A. is not one to hold back on his views. Has anybody listened to what he has said? I have noticed that as he gets older, he has moderated a lot of his thoughts.

Mike Vick QB rankings
QB rating- 24th
Completions- 24th
Completion %-38th (remember there are only 32 teams in the league)
Yards- 22nd
avg Yards - 26th
Yards per game-34th(remember there are only 32 teams in the league)
TD's -10th
Interceptions- 13th
1st downs- 22nd
Sacks taken -6th (this is a negative stat where being 1st means you took the most sacks in the league)


But he is a great rusher you say?
Rushing td's -2
Fumbles -4
The only backs that fumbled more than Vick were Frank Gore, Willie Parker, and Rudi Johnson all who carried over 200 more times than Vick.

Yeah he is a great QB.

This post is dead solid perfect

Hey Sport,
No one said he was "great."

How 'bout you stick these staats in your pipe to smoke:
# Years Pro: 6
# Years Pro Bowl: 3

Yeah, he's no good. You'd know better than the people who vote for the Pro Bowl. And of course, just because he ran for 1000 yds doesn't mean anything.

And his 4 fumbles? BFD. Len Dawson fumbled 8 times in 1 game. He stunk too, huh?

I think he's good; you don't. I like Hialeah; you think it's a sh1thole. Oh well. Go try to win a race, ok?:D

Vick's selection to the Pro Bowl for the 2005 season was a controversial one, given that in addition to his 15 touchdown passes, he threw 13 interceptions, and that his 2,412 passing yards is extremely below average. Following Vick's Pro Bowl selection, sports columnist Tim Cowlishaw of the Dallas Morning News called Vick "the most overrated player in the league." Likewise, in an NFL season preview article in the August, 2006 issue of Maxim, the magazine's readers crowned Vick as "Most Overrated." A Sports Illustrated poll taken in 2005 also showed that the Vick is considered to the most overrated player in the NFL.


Vick was a novelty act. Basically an elusive running back who happened to have a rifle arm. He made bad decisions and used his legs to get him out of trouble. His tremendous athletic ability may have fooled some into thinking he was a good QB. But the stats and W/L records shows otherwise.

had bad news stables never happened this was going to be a prove it year for vick.

it's laughable that people talk about him as a top tier qb. he made bad decisions and had no touch. was the line that bad in atlanta or did they just have no idea where their qb was? qb's like vick create chaos on both sides of the lines.

he "might" have been coachable enough to be a mcnabb level qb but i doubt we'll ever know.

building a team around his style is near impossible. that's a solo act.

great athlete. fun to watch. but a gm and coaches nightmare.

poor atlanta...virtually sold their soul to get vick (and have been given the go ahead to try to get forty-odd million back if they can) and then hire a coach to build an offense around the QB...that they no longer have.

hell of a time for that team. all this after all the trade talk early on. you can believe they really wish right now they had dealt. too late now tho.

Do you know exactly what scum this bunch is? Slamming a dog into the ground? There is not one of them that should ever be let out of their cage..ever....F punishment...It's about simply protecting society.You can not rehab filth like this.All you can do is keep them caged....And we aren't gunna do that.You are supposed to be disgusted (naturally.)It isn't supposed to have to be taught.See,they are sick.You can't change scum like this.

I am African American and I agree with this post 100%. In a lot of instances, I think the NAACP is a joke. This doesn't change my thoughts.

The hero worship can only take folks so far, the NAACP should remember that Vick's main accusors are now his friends...all black folks as well! I understand the hesitation of the black community to fall into blind acceptance of a justice system that has failed them so often, but this is NOT the case to take a stand behind...Vick has now admitted his guilt...the fat lady has sung, Elvis has left the building, Jim Morrison has pulled has pants back up...it's over!

This is also true. I do believe that white America has more love for dogs than people. There was someone that once said that white people would rather kiss a dog on the mouth than kiss a black person. I think that in a lot of instances, that's true too. But that shouldn't take away from the fact that Vick was wrong and has to pay the price. I don't think anyone disputes that fact but where the disagreement comes is in what that price should be. I believe that if anyone else would have gotten prison time, he should too. I believe he should be suspended without pay while he's serving prison time. I believe that he should lose his endorsements. But I also believe that there is something wrong with the system when a person can be convicted of a DUI, where they are putting the lives of many people at risk, regardless of whether they kill anyone or not, and they get less time than what Vick will get. Someone said that it's a new commissioner in place and that if Leonard Little or Reggie Rogers had been guilty of the crimes they committed in today's league, their penalties from the NFL would have been more severe than what they got then. But that's the NFL. What about the justice system? That hasn't changed. Little got 90 days and Rogers got a year. And that's for killing people. Vick should get more than that for being involved in killing dogs? That just doesn't make sense to me. I also don't think it's fair for anyone to decide that they can KNOW who can and can't be rehabilitated. Not a single person knows how the down time will effect Vick. I'll agree that it's likely that it won't make him change his beliefs.....but that doesn't mean that it can't happen. I also don't think that many black people are saying that Vick is being punished because he's black. I think they are saying that he's being punished MORE because he's black. I'm not sure that there isn't some truth to that. There is a reason that a jury is supposed to be made up of your peers. To a lot of black people, especially in the South and in the ghetto, right or wrong (and I do think it's wrong), dog fighting is something that is seen as just something else that goes on. I've talked before about how, when u've seen something long enough, even something as dispicable as this, u develop a sort of immunity to it. That's just the way it is. I would bet that if u asked most black people what they think should happen here, most would say he should do his time as mandated by the law and then he should be given the opportunity to come back. If no owner wants to take a chance on him because of the negative publicity that would come along with it, then he won't play again. But I guarantee that some would. Some of the same guys that are condeming him today would sign him tomorrow if it could mean a few more wins and more fans in the seats to watch him play and more money in their pockets. This is the truth. Sex offenders, murderers, thieves, white collar criminals......all can be rehabilitated. But Vick can't. A person can bilk many people out of millions of dollars and effect people's entire lives and families for generations and get a slap on the wrist but Vick should be in prison for life? I just have a hard time with that. What's sad is that if Vick had killed a human, the outrage wouldn't be nearly as bad.

I know that there are some that will not understand where I'm coming from on this but I'm going to say it anyway. Vick has not admitted much. Please, please don't take this as I'm saying he's innocent because I'm not but I've known guys in other situations where they took deals for things they were innocent of because they knew that if it went to trial and they lost (and in this country, we should know by now that anything can happen at trial), they would get far worse.

But to the original point, u are right. This is not the case to stand behind. The NAACP is a very hypocrital organization. They try to make it seem like they are speaking for all black people when in actuality, they are speaking for very few. Same goes for Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. I don't know who voted them the unofficial president and vice president of black America.......but I'd like to demand a recount.

the naacp exists for itself. to feed itself, fund itself, it is a business after all.


as for vick, and appropriate punishment, i agree 100% that the penalties handed out in many instances is an outrage. none more so recently IMO than the woman who shot her husband in the back and killed him, and is already free.

martha stewart spent more time in jail than many violent criminals. absolutely too many sentences for probation handed out. problem is not enough jail space. so save jail space for violent offenders, and slap those such as stewart with a hefty fine.

And I am partially white/hispanic and disagree with you most vehemently.

I would rather kiss a dog than most people of any color because they dont have human germs, thats a no brainer.

BTW. Just as an example that represents an anamoly to your arguement, my daughter's basketball team went into a dining establishment that had stuffed animals of all sorts adoroning the walls and served all sorts of meats.
This little(she is 6' tall)girl on the team was absolutely horrified and could not eat...had to go outside.
But when we played games, she was the one we had to warn about not hurting other kids. She liked to get into fights. She is African American. I find this kind of attitute absolutely perplexing no matter what color one is.

So most of my limited experience tells me you are wrong.

This is also true. I do believe that white America has more love for dogs than people. There was someone that once said that white people would rather kiss a dog on the mouth than kiss a black person.


Hey that's pretty good!

I believe still true in many cases...although this fine white person will take a nice kissy-poo from a BrownSugar over a wuffie ANYDAY!


I am beginning to like you a lot more...although I won't kiss you.

Perhaps GoovesInsideHisHeadHO might.




Not that you're interested.

So most of my limited experience tells me you are wrong.
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I suppose he'd rather fucl< a wuffie as well.

Angry little man has genetal herpes methinks.
I have heard the outbreaks can bring on these moodswings.

Do the sores actually ooze, or they just arise in a deadly undercover fashion... ? I have limited experience.

ugh, kissing a dog. i like dogs, but they lare none to picky about what they put in their mouths.

So you would kiss Morton potty mouth?
Can you imagine where his mouth has been...