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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

It was as relevant as what was added by the person who I was responding to.

I didn't degrade anyone's opinion, I disagreed. And thought it was sort of unecessary to drag Chuck into this and call into question his numbers when he had nothing to do with anything.

I agree.

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I agree.

That's good!

Never leave for happy hour on a down note.....

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Originally Posted by SentToStud

That's good!

Never leave for happy hour on a down note.....

I'm glad you're leaving for happy hour, B. I'm stuck here for another hour.

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Of course I am of the belief that he was never more than a good grade 2 horse that overachieved on many occasions.

IMO, Perfect Drift was an OUTSTANDING 4-year-old....and would have dominated any older male in the country right now.

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

IMO, Perfect Drift was an OUTSTANDING 4-year-old....and would have dominated any older male in the country right now.

This is hardly a year to use as a benchmark

I realize that much.

But, it's the kind of year that makes me nostalgic for performances like PD's first four on dirt during his 4yo season.

I think people tend to forget the kind of races he ran at that time. He won his first dirt race at four in the Foster, beating Mineshaft by a half length, running a 117 Beyer. Next out Met Mile winner, and three time Grade 1 winner that season Aldebaran was 3rd beaten double digits in that race.

In his 3rd start of the year on dirt, he defeated Congaree in hand, in what was an awesome performance.

When you look this year, we are through a half a season, and Accountforthegold is the only older horse to run two Beyers of 109 or more going a route of ground...it's amusing.

All the hanging issues started the next year.

I thought Perfect Drift might have been the morning line favorite for the Breeders Cup Classic during his 4yo season....I went back and checked and he was the 2nd choice.

BREEDERS' CUP CLASSIC - POWERED BY DODGE
Total Purse: $4 million; 1 1/4 miles
Post Horse Jockey Trainer M/L Odds
1 Evening Attire J. Velazquez Patrick J. Kelly 15-1
2 Pleasantly Perfect A. Solis Richard E. Mandella 10-1
3 Volponi J. Santos Phillip G. Johnson 15-1
4 Funny Cide J. Krone Barclay Tagg 8-1
5 Hold That Tiger E. Prado Aidan P. O'Brien 12-1
6 Dynever C. Nakatani Christophe Clement 15-1
7 Perfect Drift G. Stevens Murray W. Johnson 7-2
8 Medaglia d'Oro J. Bailey Robert J. Frankel 3-1
9 Congaree P. Velenzuela Bob Baffert 6-1
10 Ten Most Wanted P. Day Wallace Dollase 4-1

That's a pretty decent field right there...even without Mineshaft. If people remember back to 2003---Murray Johnson kept saying he was going to skip the Breeders Cup and run Perfect Drift in the Melbourne Cup instead.

To me, that was pure insanity on his part.

DrugS, is that Andre Dawson as your avatar?

Of course it is.

"The Hawk" was the greatest.

Although, the guy who posts here under the moniker "The Hawk" is a bit of a tool.

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Of course it is.

"The Hawk" was the greatest.

Although, the guy who posts here under the moniker "The Hawk" is a bit of a tool.

Yes he was.

Hard to see on my laptop, avatars are awful small.

Very cool.

Hopefully he gets into the Hall of Fame one day.

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Hopefully he gets into the Hall of Fame one day.

Yes he was, it is a shame that he isn't in there already. Was the best player in the MLB for years and didn't get recognized for it until he came to the Chicago where the Cubs still sucked and he won the MVP....

Congrats to Brass Hat and connections in his win.

Murray Johnson, imo, not great trainer but decent, better than some trainers
but not others. He at least gave P. Drift the chance to run against the best horses, not find the easy spots to just make money and wins, like some trainers we all know wouldve done.

My thanks to Murray and Perfect Drift for the great races we all enjoyed seeing.

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Hopefully he gets into the Hall of Fame one day.

He will get in before Steve Garvey

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

He will get in before Steve Garvey

stir....stir....stir the pot

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Originally Posted by gamblin4ever

Maybe they will write a race at The Fingerdogs for him. :D

He could buck heads with Funny Cide :D :D

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Originally Posted by geeker2

Maybe they will write a race at The Fingerdogs for him. :D

He could buck heads with Funny Cide :D :D

He isn't popular enough.

What are they going to say....."Come see....the horse who ran 3rd in the Derby!"

Unless FC was in the race as well, I don't think they'd alter a race for Perfect Drift.

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Since I have been unwittingly dragged into the conversation...I think that it is logical to think that a horse like Perfect Drift may have been able to accomplish more if in the barn of a high percentage trainer like the ones mentioned. Of course it is probably wrong but it is logical. Horse racing history is full of horses who moved to a different location or trainer and moved way up. But there are also many examples of good horses being moved to "high profile" trainers who have regressed. The worst thing about the % is that they really mean so little in a positive way for the owners who hold them so dear. One thing that the higer % guys seem to do is win fast and often for a short period and then the horses quickly regress and retire or move on. They also tend to make decisions that are based on a short term plan usually based upon the common good of their win % first and foremost. The funny thing is that the owners seem to run to these guys as fast as they can and usually wind up no better off than they were before except with a much larger bill. I dont blame the trainers for that type of thinking because it is obvious that is what most owners look for even if it is only a small piece of the puzzle.

Murray is not a close friend of mine but he is a nice man. He himself would probably admit that he is not the worlds greatest trainer. But he has done an exceptional job with this horse in my opinion. Of course I am of the belief that he was never more than a good grade 2 horse that overachieved on many occasions.

That being said it is painfully obvious that the horse has lost more than a step and though he may be sound enough to run, he just isn't a stakes quality horse anymore.

Excellent post. By the way Chuck, I may or may not have been the first person to mention your name with regard to this topic. However, as I am sure you know, I certainly did not intend on "dragging" you into the discussion. That being said, my mentioning your name was more so in trying to point out and reference what I would consider a "qualified" opinion on the training element.

Be that as it may, I think the opinions on this topic -- much of them have validity and I think there were some great points made.

Eric

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Originally Posted by ELA

Excellent post. By the way Chuck, I may or may not have been the first person to mention your name with regard to this topic. However, as I am sure you know, I certainly did not intend on "dragging" you into the discussion. That being said, my mentioning your name was more so in trying to point out and reference what I would consider a "qualified" opinion on the training element.

Be that as it may, I think the opinions on this topic -- much of them have validity and I think there were some great points made.

Eric

Yeah, God knows you have to twist Cannon's arm to get him to give his opinion about something. Was a good post, though.

Well there are a few different Brass Hat threads so wasn't sure where to post this but he's possible for the Whitney.....

http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/edito...cgi?source=bhc

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Hopefully he gets into the Hall of Fame one day.

Very good ball player...but not remotely close to being a hall of famer.