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Bogey 06-25-2007 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
I did not say it makes sense but look where stud fees are.
I heard a rumor that you stated that Afleet Alex was sore before the '05 Derby. Can you comment on this.

Cajungator26 06-25-2007 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Bogey
Personally, I hit the PK4 when he won the Champagne and I bet him heavily when he won the FOY. Thanks to my buddy Joel Cunningham, who touted him before he made his 1st start. Joel stated that he could drag the starting gate and still win. I remember Oracle 80 stating that another horse had a chance. Well, Scat Daddy won for fun in the slop and had a very nice career. I cashed over $3K in tickets, so I personally sad to see him retired. Go Scat Daddy Go.
Well said Bogey...

Joel emailed me today to let me know... I really liked this colt a lot too. So maybe he wasn't a speedball or a real flashy winner, but he was very gutsy and tried hard. He was good enough for me.

Cannon Shell 06-25-2007 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Bogey
I heard a rumor that you stated that Afleet Alex was sore before the '05 Derby. Can you comment on this.
Huh?

Bogey 06-25-2007 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
Well said Bogey...

Joel emailed me today to let me know... I really liked this colt a lot too. So maybe he wasn't a speedball or a real flashy winner, but he was very gutsy and tried hard. He was good enough for me.
Cajun, I'm glad you are giving Joel some credit, I know he wasn't a popular figure on the DT board, but bottom line the guy knows what he is talking about and always has an opinion.

Cajungator26 06-25-2007 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Bogey
Cajun, I'm glad you are giving Joel some credit, I know he wasn't a popular figure on the DT board, but bottom line the guy knows what he is talking about and always has an opinion.
Believe me, I get a ton of shiat about it, but I've always like Joel a lot. We share a lot in common and I appreciate a person who has strong opinions and sticks with them. I'm glad to see that you feel the same way. :)

Cajungator26 06-25-2007 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I just stopped crying with the sad news of his retirement. Kudos to everyone who knew about him at 3-5 in his debut run, especially since it was such a well kept secret. I also just poured out a little of my water in remembrance of Joel and Oracle.
I had a feeling you'd chime in, Hossy! :p

Bogey 06-25-2007 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Huh?
I heard this 3rd party information and I always wanted to question you on it. I respect you as a true horseman, but I heard you stated that about 2 days before the '05 Derby? IMO if Jeremy doesn't head to the dead rail, AA wins the triple crown. Madcap Escape went to the dead rail in the Humana Distaff two race prior and it was like quick sand that afternoon and cost AA the triple crown IMO.

Bogey 06-25-2007 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
Believe me, I get a ton of shiat about it, but I've always like Joel a lot. We share a lot in common and I appreciate a person who has strong opinions and sticks with them. I'm glad to see that you feel the same way. :)
Cajun. I consider Joel a personal friend and I agree with you. He's stricly about results and I would put him up against any handicapper in the country heads up.

Bogey 06-25-2007 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I just stopped crying with the sad news of his retirement. Kudos to everyone who knew about him at 3-5 in his debut run, especially since it was such a well kept secret. I also just poured out a little of my water in remembrance of Joel and Oracle.
If you remember well, Joel punked Oracle big time in regards to Scat Daddy and his career. Multiple Grade G1 winner at 2 and 3.

Zaf 06-25-2007 10:01 PM
Cajun .....are you drinking the Morty Cool Aid ?
 
A Canadian Spaceship :eek:

Cajungator26 06-25-2007 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Me too on all fronts, very modest also.
:rolleyes:

I swear.

Cannon Shell 06-25-2007 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Bogey
I heard this 3rd party information and I always wanted to question you on it. I respect you as a true horseman, but I heard you stated that about 2 days before the '05 Derby? IMO if Jeremy doesn't head to the dead rail, AA wins the triple crown. Madcap Escape went to the dead rail in the Humana Distaff two race prior and it was like quick sand that afternoon and cost AA the triple crown IMO.
Actually he was coughing his head off coming off the track a few days before the Derby.

Cajungator26 06-25-2007 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Zaf
A Canadian Spaceship :eek:
I like Canadians, what can I say? :D

Coach Pants 06-25-2007 10:06 PM
Look I cashed a 2k pick 4 at Toga in part due to Mike Smith's ride in the final race last summer at Toga. That doesn't mean he's a great rider. The fact of the matter is i've had this god damn avatar for three weeks and all I asked for was 3 wins to take it down.

Bogey 06-25-2007 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Yeah he was some horse. Frighteningly fast.
Hoss, he definitely wasn't the fastest T-Bred, but he found the winner's circle on numerous ocassions. His racing record must be respected.

Cajungator26 06-25-2007 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
You like and "respect" him because he won you money. Fact is, when racing against the elite of his division he was drowned twice, in the Juvenile and Derby. Apparently it's okay to call Jazil and Bluegrass Cat slow, but not Scat Daddy. Is there really that much difference between all 3?
Hurt in the Derby and 4th in the Juvy. Not all that bad IMO.

How could you dislike a face like this?



:p

VOL JACK 06-25-2007 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Bogey
Cajun. I consider Joel a personal friend and I agree with you. He's stricly about results and I would put him up against any handicapper in the country heads up.
What ever happened to joel, and why did he quit posting here?

Cajungator26 06-25-2007 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I'm not a pretty horsey person, I gamble. How many lengths was he beaten in the Juvenile?
Eh... 15 lengths or so? LOL :o

In his defense, Street Sense blew by everyone, not just him.

Bogey 06-25-2007 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
You like and "respect" him because he won you money. Fact is, when racing against the elite of his division he was drowned twice, in the Juvenile and Derby. Apparently it's okay to call Jazil and Bluegrass Cat slow, but not Scat Daddy. Is there really that much difference between all 3?
Bottom line he won G1's at 2 and 3, which you can't say about Jazil or Bluegrass Cat. In this day in age, he deserved to be respected for that alone. I understand that you were not a fan, but to dismiss his accomplishments is a mistake.

Bogey 06-25-2007 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by VOL JACK
What ever happened to joel, and why did he quit posting here?
You can find him at Wiretowire.com. Joel is up to date as anyone in the horse racing industry.

Cannon Shell 06-25-2007 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Bogey
You can find him at Wiretowire.com. Joel is up to date as anyone in the horse racing industry.
are you sure you have the right web address?

Bogey 06-25-2007 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
are you sure you have the right web address?
Your right, google wiretowire and click on the 1st option

Cajungator26 06-25-2007 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
are you sure you have the right web address?
It's wiretowire.net, but I think all of the FTBOA sites are down right now.

Cannon Shell 06-25-2007 10:48 PM
I thought maybe he got into the telecommunictions business

Cajungator26 06-25-2007 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
I thought maybe he got into the telecommunictions business
Very funny, Chuck. :p

Bogey 06-25-2007 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
It's wiretowire.net, but I think all of the FTBOA sites are down right now.
Cajun, If anyone spent one afternoon with Joel at the race track they would be more knowlegdeable about the horse racing industry without a doubt.

miraja2 06-25-2007 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Bogey
Cajun, If anyone spent one afternoon with Joel at the race track they would be more knowlegdeable about the horse racing industry without a doubt.
Is it true that he can also cure wounds by clanging his hands together and then rubbing them like Mr. Miyagi does in The Karate Kid?
Please, tell us more of his greatness. It is soooooooooo interesting.

Bogey 06-25-2007 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Bogey, what is the motivation behind all of this? Something seems real fishy here.
No motivation what so ever, just the fact that he was the one that brought Scat Daddy to everyone before his debut at Belmont. He mentioned before his debut that he would be a BC Juvenile prospect and got blasted for it.

miraja2 06-25-2007 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Bogey
No motivation what so ever, just the fact that he was the one that brought Scat Daddy to everyone before his debut at Belmont. He mentioned before his debut that he would be a BC Juvenile prospect and got blasted for it.
What were the odds on him in that debut?

Bogey 06-25-2007 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by miraja2
Is it true that he can also cure wounds by clanging his hands together and then rubbing them like Mr. Miyagi does in The Karate Kid?
Please, tell us more of his greatness. It is soooooooooo interesting.
Mira, I usually do not chime in, but I have to give credit to Joel for introducing Scat Daddy to the DT members before his debut. Joel actually saw him workout at Churchilll prior to his initial start.

Bogey 06-25-2007 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by miraja2
What were the odds on him in that debut?
He won for fun.

miraja2 06-25-2007 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Bogey
He won for fun.
Swell. What does that have to do with what the odds were?


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