Dominican had to alter course, but SS problems was 4 fold....

1) Lugged in at the top of the stretch
2) Didnt switch to his right lead
3) Teuf came out
4) Once SS switched to his right lead, he switched back to his left after Teuf came out.

In addition, they raced over Poly which is a surface that Dominican loves and SS doesnt really care for.

I added to my last post with an edit...

sorry

Agreed on all points except I think the source of three of those problems can be blamed on the horse.

1) his fault
2) his fault
3) not his fault
4) ehhh...push

The champion or best horse in the race should get clear and mow them down. Maybe it was jockey error and Borel should have swung him wide where he could let down and get in full cry. I don't know. I'm not backing him though.

I see all your points and I am making concessions for my choice as well. I don't wish SS or Nafzger any ill-will and would be thrilled for them to win. Just don't like what I see.

I agree with you 100% that the horse doesnt switch leads and causes some of his own problems. This is my only knock on the horse. I like both SS and Quay. However, I am structuring my ticket around Quay in 2nd and 3rd.

Yes, I would, by a neck, nose, length etc....2 preps as a 3, same as AGS but I like the extra week, 2 wins by storming the rail which I don't think anyone will let it happen again and I don't feel he can be pushed 5+ wide and win with other talented colts in this field. He is one of the best in the field, and I will play him underneath, it just seems like I am being forced to love him and key him when I don't and probably won't.

going by what street sense has done, both last year and this....didn't he run on poly just before the bc juvie? didn't win the poly race, but of course trounced the field at churchill......those who ignore history and all that.

as for him being outrun a few weeks ago--i don't think a headbob either way means a horse out ran, or was out run by, another horse. also, did street sense give weight to dominican? or was it level weights for all?

and speaking of street sense, this from drf:

Street Sense sharp once again
By MIKE WELSCH
LOUISVILLE, Ky. - Street Sense may have stamped himself the favorite for the 2007 Kentucky Derby by turning in another eye-catching work on Tuesday morning.

With regular rider Calvin Borel aboard, Street Sense worked five furlongs in 1:00.68 seconds, according to Daily Racing Form, coming home his final quarter-mile in 22.82 seconds. He galloped out six furlongs in 1:13.04 over a fast track.

Cobalt Blue was scheduled to "open gallop" over the track on Tuesday. according to his trainer Doug O’Neill, but was full of run and was timed going seven furlongs from the three-eighths pole to the half-mile pole in 1:26.17 by Daily Racing Form. O’Neill said afterwards that he would confer with the horse’s owner, Merv Griffin, later today before making a final decision on whether to enter Cobalt Blue in the Derby.

Entries for the 2007 Kentucky Derby will be taken on Wednesday.


-------and judging by cobalts gallop, i bet he enters.

I've decided this is a very clever ploy by Moodwalker to get the odds on Street Sense up on Saturday.

You didn't have to respond as I was replying to Cajun...but thanks for your input. You are right, nobody is forcing me to play SS...as I have said, I will play him, underneath on my own. For a period of time discussion it was not, it was like many have done before...stand the boy up and tie him to the whipping post and start lashing. I am not in the majority here, as I remember, I believe only 3 of us argued against SS. Should I change my opinion of SS, Nafzger, or the Bluegrass? Maybe. Will I? When the posts come out possibly I will. We 3 who stated our claims against haven't swayed any opinions, nor have any of those for swayed mine. As for the other site, they all know what goes on here and you all know what goes on there, I'm not getting into a pissing match when the common goal is the same...HORSERACING!!! I've said all I can say on this, thank you for everyones input.

SS had another very nice workout at CD. This horse loves Churchill. I wouldn't be tossing him. I really like him. As of right now, he is my front runner to win the thing.

Street Sense
Your Comment:

Date: May 1, 2007
Track: CHURCHILL DOWNS
Distance: Five Furlongs
Time: 1.01:00 Breezing
Track Condition: Fast
Surface: Dirt
Rank: 3/15

That is slander and I suggest you maybe just say that "you don't choose to listen to moodwalker" in the future.

Uh oh. Don't make me go over there and read. :(

I wasn't trying to lash out at anyone... just didn't agree on what he was saying about Street Sense. Heavens... opinions are like assholes... everyone has one.

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Got tore up pretty bad "next door", they ganged up on me, now I got a broken arm, sprained fingers from typing trying to defend myself...might go back for more manana.

What do ya think Moodwalker, did they convince you to play Street Sense yet?

My exact post...no need to get Blocky all excited, Cajun.:D

I do have a broken arm which I didn't say you did, my fingers do hurt from typing with one hand defending my opinions which I, you and everyone is entitled. I am of the opinion that I was in the minority and felt that I was ganged up on. Minority is a fact...ganged up on is an opinion...remember this is a message board, I'm allowed to have one as are you.

Now, I have supported this board over there if you bothered to read any more of my posts or whoever is the real tattler here(freakin' grade school)read any. I have especially supported the proud owners of SumWon and DeeTee stables who have been mocked repeatedly. I also have stuck up for that site and a few of its members a few weeks back,
because I felt they brought valid points and were found out & trashed.

BOTTOM LINE

There is great info at both sites about horseracing, am I right? There is great "discussions" at both as well. Why can't we just leave it at that?

That was my original viewpoint as well. When a few of the members over there started some unnecessary stuff, I just chose not to post anymore. It didn't make sense. BTW... I didn't care for Street Sense either. That is until I saw him in Tampa Bay. The colt just might be that good, but maybe not. I'm not forcing you to use him on your tickets... it's your perogative. Well hell... I wish more people would leave him off. His odds would go up! :D

Thanks, those comments that were made were in bad taste and definitely uncalled for, it's unfortunate that they made them to you.

I think SS is good, very good compared to many in the field, if he wins I'll probably lose...that's gambling. Good luck to all.

That's your opinion...This was mine...Now let us give the thread back to Street Sense and all have a nice day. Agreed?

Why are you such a freaking Moron?? LOL......Wow...You had quite an outing there buddy. As far as the other Forum goes...it's kind of quiet over there. At least here there's always something to do. As far as Street Sense goes...The race on Polytrack is a complete throw out. Keeneland went from being a fun track to cap to garbage in one year. Maybe I just am biased because of Poly. I think anyone would be crazy not to have on at least one of their tickets a Street Sense - Circular Quay boxed exacta.

I'm crazy. I'm going to let CQ beat me... 8 weeks off? No thanks.

Blah,Blah,Blah....you know you may be right, but I'm so sick and tired of hearing about this layoff crap. Let's just say a few things about this.

1. Would a world class trainer like you know......ugh....Todd Pletcher send a
horse to the derby that wasn't ready???

2. Would Johnny V. choose CQ as his mount if the horse wasn't ready??

3. Have never ever ever bet a horse off an eight week layoff??

Now I don't mean to come down on you Cajun because you are one of many with this opinion. Go look at all his replays like I have done many many times.
This horse is potentially a monster. I may be and judging by my Derby luck in the past...will be wrong. But I will sure as hell take 8-1...10-1 or higher on him than I would..say 7/2 on everyones new hero Curlin.

Well i'm convinced.

I'd bet on a horse off an 8 week layoff, sure. Not in the Kentucky Derby, though. Big difference between THIS race and a normal come back allowance race. I like CQ... just not this time around. It's nothing against him or his talent (as I think he's extremely talented.) As for Curlin, I don't like his chances in the Derby either. :p

I know what you are saying. I do know that the Derby is not the same as any other race. I've been wrong so many times before and will probably will be wrong again...but I realllllllllly like this horse. In the past I've wavered between 4 or 5 horses in the weeks leading up to the Derby, but despite everything I've read...I'm still on him. Obviously....I won't focus just on him
I'll have tickets galore. So anyway...let the fun begin.

Stick with your gut... this might be a brainless comment (:o ), but the Derby is such a crapshoot anyway... sometimes it defies logic. I'm not dissing anyone for their picks. God knows mine have been subpar. I had Barbaro to win last year, but didn't use Bluegrass Cat in any of my wagers. The year before, I had Closing Argument and Afleet Alex, but no Giacomo. What an idiot I am. :rolleyes:

I was thinking pletcher horses and a few others/pletcher horses/all triple.

1) Maybe the horse will be ready to run his best, but will it be enough? As good as Mr. P is, he hasn't exactly got this Derby thing figured out yet either

2) bad way to analyze a horses chances in the derby if you ask me, if Pletcher is going to run him JV will be the jockey. There is no way in the world that Pletcher sends him buts JV says "listen, this horse is not ready I'm looking for another mount".

3) Of course eight weeks layoffs are common for other races, and horses can win off eight week layoffs. as you know derby history has not been kind to horses off of long layoffs. Five weeks last year made history.

Add to that another hurdle that I think is not small, no 9 furlong prep races. So in addition to the layoff, he is adding more distance than most.

But the final comment about potential monster is the one most perplexing to me. I see nothing in his PP's to suggest that. If you have watched his replays over and over surely you have noticed the ideal set-up that this one had in the LA Derby.

JV had his choice of mounts. He chose CQ.

Choice of mounts between how many? Scat Daddy or CQ or AGS?
To me his choice tells me nothing. In my view the other two stand a better chance.

Agreed, but it was JV's choice nonetheless. If he wanted AGS, he would be on him. If he wanted Scat Daddy, he would be on him. Frankly, I'm glad Prado is up on Scat Daddy. I thought his ride on him in the Florida Derby was great.

These are all serious questions to ask of this horse, I agree.

It is hard to make a decision in this race, but I am banking on Pletcher having him ready to do what it takes to win.

Tough gamble to make...

I understand that it was his choice. All I'm saying and I think you agree is to not read too much into it.

I don't think there is a better all around rider today than Prado.

You know....the funny thing to me is that the same people..maybe not you DaHoss will be quick to excuse Street Sense's race in the Lexington but will be very very very quick to rave about his 10 length win in the Juvenille.
Now, with that said...Street Sense will be on many of my tickets...He's an outstanding horse and yes they did have similar...not identical trips in the Juvenille. Street Sense stayed on a Lightning quick rail. circular Quay went wide. No..that does not excuse 10 lengths...but my original comment on this thread....(Go back and look) was one of my tickets will definitely be a Juvenille Boxed exacta.

In the derby I don't look for a horse with a quick explosive move. Those are usually horses that run slow in the beginning of the race, then kick in their rally. The juvenile was 8.5 furlongs, a better distance for a stretched out sprinter. In the derby that looks like it won't have a blistering pace, I don't want a horse that might be in 16th position at the half mile position, counting on some explosive rally through the field. I would much rather have a horse that can more naturally cruise just off the pace and then make a sustained rally.

Think about it, what derbies were won by horses making quick explosive moves?

Another point about CQ, to me others appear to be faster.

So its Ok for Street Sense to beat Great Hunter in that same race by 12 1/2
lengths and then a few weeks ago beat Great Hunter by only 2 1/2???
Also Street Sense beat Scat Daddy, Stormello, Tuflesberg, and many others that day. Horses do improve there Dahoss. Watch the Oddsboard very closely. Also I'm not knocking Street Sense's performance in the Lexington.
Just I tend to look at the facts.