Yeah and 20 deep in each line with at least 10 jackasses that don't know how to use the new machines.

Yeah good luck getting that horse to rate. I expect he'll be flying on the lead.

I gotta agree, this is nowhere near as loaded with speed as the Spanish Chestnut Derby and that one went in 1:09 2/5ths which is a torrid pace for a 10 furlong race. No way they go faster than that this year. I'm guessing 1:10 flat which will be enough to cook all the horses on the front end.

i see what your saying, but i dont think anyone will respect him to go the distance, especially off of his last race, i will predict the pace is 23/47/1.10

2006 - 1:10 and 2
2005 - 1:09 and 3
2004 - 1:11 and 4 Slop
2003 - 1:10 and 2
2002 - 1:11 and 4

Ok, so 1:08 is a little low but it will go 1:09

Pigtown Cat
hard Spun
Liquidity
Nobiz
Stormello - Currin is full of crap, he is going to the f'n lead
Teufleburg


That is just from the Future PP's

Stormello alone will go 1:09 if he is in there, nobiz is going to be a nut case and pigtown is gunning, and if DEADLY dealer goes, it will be the same situation as pletchers other rat that I can't think of his name

thats what im trying to say

Yeah Teuflesberg will screw the race up real good. Expect that goofball to go a low 1:09 if he gets in.

lol pigtown cat....

i dont know man, if you think so, im thinking 1.10

Pigtown Cat couldn't run a 1:08 if you literally lit a fire under his ass.

Well tell him to come out from under his rock and give us the psychic's winner! LOL

READ my response, he is PROGRESSING in Thorograph terms. His last race in the wood was better then it looked, he ran about 10 furlongs if you figure in ground loss

Oh Christ!
You said YESTERDAY that you thought Stormello would turn in a "keyed entry like performance" in this year's Derby. Now you seem to be saying the opposite. You are the most frustrating poster I have ever encountered!!!

Sauntering By? Oops... I mean Soaring By. LOL

LOL, if you ever read the headline "Girl Shoots Man at Betting Machines" I swear it wasn't me. :D

Keyed Entry didn't even make it six furlongs when the pace was 1:10 4/5ths. I don't see why he can't think Stormello will be this years Keyed Entry and that he won't run a 1:08 or even close to that.

alright..... but he already couldnt defeat street sense

going into the street sense race he had a prep and a race over a tampa bay track that some horse dont handle.... if he was going to beat him it would have been that day


then he dosent beat nobiz, who was rank the whole trip

i just dont see him running well in the derby, im wrong alot though
but i have felt this way about him for a long time even before the tampa bay derby, and before the wood, i never thought he'd run well in kentucky

You know, I said this on another thread, but Stormello is not Stormello's problem. Stormello's problem is his trainer. I tried to give this guy the benefit but he is a moron. This friggin horse WANTS to rate, he wanted to rate early on BUT then he starts putting these 35' 3f works and 46 works into him and now he is uncontrollable. Seriously, if this horse was with Mandella/Assmussen/McLaughlin/Frankel, you would see a totally different horse

Nobiz wasn't rank the whole trip.

i read where currin said they will rate him, his workout was also very very slow....

ok at the start of the race and the middle of the race...

1:08 was a bad number but I was trying to get a point across that it is going to be contested and hot up front, and I would want a horse that is going to sit the trip

Pointing out all of his mistakes is a full-time job.

i guess the whole point of me posting was because i dont see anything near 1.08, and thats why i like nobiz so much, i think he will sit right off a 1.10 and have enough left late to get it done.

EVERYONE makes mistakes especially here


ppl with nothing better to do point them out, and who are you to say its a mistake he was rank he never seemed to relax

What makes you think Nobiz isn't going to pull a move like he's done before and wear himself out? Going 10 panels is a lot for a horse that literally cooks himself.

You don't get it. AGS ran better then SS in the TB Derby also. SS got a rail trip and ran the shortest possible, AGS was 3w and 4w the whole way around, if you switch the trips, AGS wins that race by about 1.5 lengths.

No way AGS was loaded for the Wood, they could care less about it, they got the earnings, and they had him cranked enough for more earnings, he is going to be fully cranked on Derby day

In horse racing, the past means absolutely nothing, especially when talking about things like times and who the beat. Tracks change, and sometimes on a RACE TO RACE basis, so who beat who 4-6 weeks ago doesn't mean much, it is who is best on that day

i dont know if he will or wont, but he has been my derby horse all year, and in my opinion he has done nothing for me to jump off.

Kid, I think we have established that you like Nobiz Like Showbiz in the Derby this year.
If you could limit the number of posts devoted to this topic to say.....maybe.....35 a day.....I personally would appreciate it.
Thanks.

ok

I should rephrase this and say "The past means SOMETHING, but it isn't as big as some people make it"

who do you like in the derby, who will you be placing a win bet on ?

alright i see what your saying, thats what this place is for, for everyone to post there opinions and i do see what your trying to say

Ok, this is phucking hilarious... I'm sorry. First you say that you think Nobiz is going to sit off the pace and have enough late and now you're saying he never relaxed in the Wood. Which is it? If he never relaxed in the Wood (your opinion), what makes you think he's going to relax in the Derby? A rank, out of control and unrelaxed horse is going to have it VERY tough on the first Saturday in May.

he did not relax in the wood, nothing i said is wrong your trying to twist it.... it was first time blinks, he will be fine in the derby.

It would seem foolish to me to decide how I am going to play the race before all the other races are completed, or the post positions are drawn, or the horses work on the track, or I know who is in the race, etc.
Usually these are things I like to consider before I start picking who will win a given race. Call me crazy.

Oh come on Cajun, he is going to be one of those rank, out of control, unrelaxed horses that rates perfectly and wins!

CRAZY MOFO! LMAO

exactly, I am just looking to see where I might go on certain horses, fig wise, but all those things need/should be considered

I'm not trying to twist anything, kiddo...

Just trying to make sense out of what you're saying. I didn't like what I saw out of Nobiz in the Wood and because of that, I'll take a chance by not picking him as the Derby winner right now.

Disclaimer:

All of the above changes if he draws the 9 hole. That's the winning post position.

I agree, the pace should be solid and will take out anyone not fit enough to go the 10 furlongs. The only horses that might have the class to sit near it and do well are Nobiz and Any Given Saturday.