K, sorry for misunderstanding. It just stinks to see members from a certain race slurring words like 'nigg*r' and it's OK, but if someone from outside that race says the words, that particular race is rushing to proclaim the other person as a racist. It's so much easier just avoiding the term all together. It's a crying shame we can't all just get along and accept one another for the people that we are instead of the color of the skin.

Oh goodie... you'll be useful soon enough! :eek:

I'm glad that you feel better. You were in a heap of pain, I'm sure.

I don't worry too much about the Imus' of the world, or others that they anger. Concern me, yes; worry me, no. Actually its all I can handle to keep on top of my own business, and my own thoughts.

Again, glad you are feeling better.

Update...
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/09/bu...d-imus.html?hp

I certainly did not take offense nor did I call anyone a name unless you count "lefty" as namecalling but if you truly are a liberal it should not be considered offensive. I merely countered your potshot at me which was based upon personal innuendo rather than based upon any topical subject. By no means was I ofnded as a matter of fact I thought it was funny that you would resort to such tactics. I stand by my original post which basically says why are these things made into bigger issues than they should be? I'm far from worried that the Rutgers womans basketball team will be scarred or offended. We spend far too much time worrying about stupidity like this. Fact is that we as a society have grown far too politically correct and the particualrs of this case are further proof of this. I am not saying that I agree or disagree with those that are offended by Imus comments but those who believe in freedom of speech and other pillars of the constitution should stand up and say that people who say stupid things have rights too.

Please. Do you think that future employers will use Imus comments to some how discriminate against these women? How is it tangibly harmful to these people? Get over it. Stop being so serious. Have the Washington Redskins really harmed Native Americans? Was any one person singled out and ridiculed? It was a joke, a bad one but that's life.

Cannon, I'm not sure whether you read the NYPost article, the NYTimes update with the interview this afternoon between Rev.Al Sharpton and Don Imus, but this is a very REAL concern for a many, many people including MSNBC and NBC, and CBS Radio the owners of Imus's WFAN.

In other words, I believe this is more of a problem than simplifying it as "a bad joke and that's life."

This isn't about political correctness, nor.....who does it harm?

Obviously, its harming a great number of people, not the least of which should be, and is Don Imus.

Shut up, you phucking racist. :rolleyes:

Go back and read what I said. I stand by my words.
I never mentioned your name nor called you one.
Freedom of speech does not include "hate speech", see FCC regs.
I agree that people that "stupid things" should have their say, and also be called out for their stupidity.
Apologies??? Later. "Resignation"? OK
Excuses...see my previous quote.
Justification? Nope!

Anna Nicole was a big story too. Dont confuse a "big" story with an important story. Imus is a guy who has taken shots and pissed off literally thousands of people. He is a big name. His name gives this story legs, period. That does not make it right. If jj graci had said the same thing on ATRAB would there be the same outrage? Of course not. And if this is not about political correctness then what is it about?

This is where your remarks got cheap and took a real nosedive.

This was totally . . . completely without merit, and lent quite little to the discussion. I don't care whether you stated the trainers name or not.

This was cheap. This was your mistake DTS.

I'm not going to get deeper into this fight. We don't agree Chuck, this is an important story, and to me it is one about racist remarks and this is something we've long had problems with in our country. Mr.Imus did not help that problem.

I would hardly classify what he said as "hate speech". And if you stand by your words then why did you attempt to apologize? I have no problem with you but I think that people who turn bs like this into "racism" and "hate speech" are being petty and vindictive.
I'll say again, why can people call the president of the US names and say he is stupid and a criminal and it is ok but a shock jock says that a womans basketball team is nappy and thugish during a comedy bit and it is a criminal offense? Bill Maher and Bill O'Reilly both regularly say worse than this and no one pays attention.

Agreed... pretty classless of him.

Actually the side that make this into a big deal is making the situation worse. People who are racist are going to be racist no matter what anyone in the media says. But when people like Sharpton get people riled up over this bs then you see trouble brewing.

No knocks on anyone here, but if you have to resort to stating trainer stats in order to get your opinion across, then you've got a real problem.

I think some of the members need to think before they post and realize that disagreeing is OK... there's no need to resort to that kind of shiat. JMO.

I think Native Americans and Gays are bothered(or hurt) by these things,but I don't know where you start/stop rules about it.For one thing,we are terribly inconsistent about when we are outraged about comments about the way people are born.If it's wrong to say somebody is ugly,then why is it still o.k. to complain(or make fun of) the size of a man's penis,or a woman's chest? Imus is responsible for the show's content.In my opinion, he has let this Bernard character say stuff like this (with racial overtones) for far too long.I have always wondered how they got away with it.The audience knows he is playing a character(like CARROL O'CONNOR played.)THAT'S WHY THEY AREN'T OUTRAGED.They know the context of all this.I agree with Canon about most of this,but when it comes to issues concerning subjects where people have been harmed physically in the past(race,sexual orientation,) I can't say I agree.IMUS FCKED up pretty seriously.I understand that he is an entertainer,and playing a part.I understand the context of the show,but I think he is gunna get run.This was a mistake that he just can't make better.If it was just a comment about looks,or even sexual orientation,then I think he would survive.Fact is that he used the term "nappy- headed," and that is race specific,and I think it is gunna be curtains here.

Parts of these last two pages are causing a blaring alarm from my irony meter.

Good, that's important to us all, as well.

Thank you for reminding.

No apologies from me, I was just making up numbers and playing "hypothetical" trainer. I didn't identify you or anyone.
If the arrow hit a mark, I wasn't shooting at you.
See how it is when some people take offense?
See how some defend?
See how some justify?
Look, you and I disagree on this. That's about it.
Imus gets to eat his words.
I don't eat mine. If you took mine to be an apology of some sort, nope.
Racism is wrong. Sexism is wrong.
The president and his allies get to give their own answers, but that's for a different thread.
Since you brought it up, I do love my country, just not those that are currently running it.

Now i remember the guys name in Wappinger Falls NY.It was Steve Pagonas whose life was ruined by the false accusations.Where was Sharpton when Lattrell Sprewell choked P. J. Carlessimo(a white person) not once but came back for more.He is nothing more than a leech or oppurtunist.Martin Luther King would consider him an embarassement.

W, it was pretty obvious who you were referring to when you posted the trainer stats... not exactly the best method of getting your point across.

Most all religious leaders are.There is $$ to be made off of peoples' fear,hope,and hate.Those are the 3 main reasons people are into religion.

Censorship is for assholefaces that eat granola and are into cut and pasting some douchetard's opinion from an obscure liberal blog.

You bring up Tawana Brawley, but what about Amadou Diallo? She is the Guinean immigrant young woman who was shot to death by the NYPD 8-10 years ago. Her family was awarded $5 Million by a court which decided her death was wrongful and was due to police racial-profiling and brutality.

Sharpton is what he is. But I think what he does is important whether or not I might like him. Frankly, during the '04 Democratic debates, he was the only candidate to give straight answers to many questions.

What's great about America is we get to decide how badly he suffers in the end. Whether it's Mel Gibson or that Seinfeld guy dissing Jews or Blacks or Imus, in the end it all shakes out on its own.

I think it comes down to who has more power than whom. The Pres is more powerful than anyone criticizing him (except the Dark Lord of the Sith, Dick Cheney), thus attacking him doesn't carry much opportunity to offend on that visceral level. A white, heterosexual man criticizing African-American women is coming from a more powerful position, and so it's kind of like kicking the cripple, to borrow from Molly Ivins. Which is also likely why slurs coming from someone to whom the slur could also apply don't seem as offensive to society as a whole. I think it's a power (real or perceived) thing. Bababooyee and I already had this discussion and he came up with some most excellent new phrases as a result, which I have stolen.

And hey, the Dixie Chicks said they were ashamed the Pres was from Texas and they got death threats from righies, so clearly it wasn't okay to those conservatives.

(Of course, Bush isn't from Texas; he's a Massachusetts blue blood, so I don't know why they were ashamed in the first place.)

I think Don Imus has a great face for radio.

All he does is find EVERYTHING wrong about sports...a chronic bitcher
but never knocks his own paper for some of the "crap" they have in it.

J,
Ya think so?
OK.
Point Given, Point Taken.
Point Across...good name for one.
I kinda like "Fire Storm".
Anywhere ya find it, and it seems like it's everywhere lately.
Unbridled Danger in the 7th on Thurs at Aq.
Carry on.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1b1_1176147032&p=1

Video of Imus on Al Sharpton's "Fire Whitey Show"

I find it ironic that Reverend Assholeface didn't call for his idol James Brown to be fired when he beat his wife not one, but three times. Hypocrite racist bastard. Pot meet kettle, Sharpton.

Funny how people have forgotten that...Sharpton brings NOTHING to the table and really hurts the cause he's trying to better.

Where exactly was James Brown going to be fired FROM? Wouldn't he have been an independent contractor?

I guess what is the most annoying part of the whole process is how a story can be so affected by the media and it needs to fill the 24 hour news fix. This in itself is NOT an important story. Imus and his cronies never threatened or personally slurred anyone. They simply made a bad joke. The media grabbed the story and ran with it because sensationalistic race stories get good headlines. Sharpton and Jesse jumping in just makes it less of a real issue in most of America's view because they have virtually zero creditability in mainstream America. Jesse is a hypocrite who needs to make stories like this grow because he jumped the shark about 15 years ago when he refered to NY as "hymietown". Sharpton is as one way as one could be in regards to race relations as pointed out in other posts. Imus was guilty of nothing but poor taste which is not a crime. Making this out to be a crime against black people is a joke. Making this out to be singularly harmful to any member of the Rutgers team is laughable. Dave Chappelle and Chris Rock have said the same sort of things about "white" people and there are no reprecusions and well there should not be. Saying someone is "nappyheaded" or has tattoos or is thugish is in poor taste but these are hardly traumatic things.