After all my bragging about my OTB channel showing the races, my DVR didn't tape either it or ABC (Why God? What have I done? Why must you curse me this way? But I thank you, God, for not breaking my DVR until Battlestar Galactica was over for the season. Truly you are merciful sometimes).

So-- it was a heck of a challenge, going to NTRA and clicking on the race without accidentally seeing who won it. But I managed to keep from seeing the outcome before seeing the race and now my neighbors are scared about the screaming coming from my apartment at 1AM. :) Couldn't be happier with the outcome. Now all I can hope for is the Sheik's desire to have a two-time BCC winner...

just read that invasors time was the second fastest in the races history, 1.59 and change, only dubai millenium ran it faster.
they're hoping to bring him back in the suburban. if he manages to repeat in the bcc, he'll pass cigar on the earnings list.

I think it was Tap who was running on guts alone at the end.. Invasor is a like a train at the end of his races..he builds up momentum for a few furlongs and at the end, he is literally flying, he doesnt have the flashy instant bursts like others, but his way of running is so effective!!

You have to remember, some people are slow to catch on to these obvious things. He has the best running style I have ever seen. He is like a train, he gets going and is unstoppable and he never seems to get tired.

He wasn't rolling like he usually does, I think he despises that track, but tries so hard. If you think that was a normal run for Invasor, I think you might want to watch that race again.

I don't see how that race was any different than his others. If he "wasn't rolling" and still ran the second fastest World Cup (behind the GREAT Dubai Millenium), I can't even imagine what he would have run if he had been running his "normal" race. What? Fifty lengths and a 1:52 flat?

He looked like he was going perfectly normally to me. Sitting off the leaders, coming to the leaders, wearing the leaders down. It's his MO, in fact.

Have watched it, you see something different than I do, and frankly something that wasn't there.

why was it not normal? what is the evidence that he despises the track?
define "not rolling like he usually does". Are aware of how fast the time was? I can't wait to see the various speed figures for that race.

It was the race last year that was not the real Invasor for whatever reason.

It is incredible, this horse causes huge blind spots in the racing community.
Most have been horribly slow to see the positives, and now others are seeing negatives that don't exist.

We've talked about this so many times, but compare this climate to the Bernardini fanfare all last year.
I mean where are all the threads titled "IS INVASOR the greatest horse in the past 25 years???"

Instead its like "ho hum, I don't think he was rolling the normal way"

okay, too funny!!!!

I guess you don't understand, I love Invasor. He's my favorite horse right now, I was in no way dissing his race yesterday, I loved it.

Go back and watch some of his other races, he was not moving the same way. He's had one loss and it was at that track.

I guess I shouldn't expect much out of you, because you're such a dumba$$ that you can't even tell I was admiring Invasor.

I dont think they went that quick early on.. so i was very surprised with the finishing time..

Don't know too much about dirt racing, but Invasor must be one of the fastest finishers in recent years.. As I said, he's like a train and just builds up some momentum!!

Dude I agree. Sadly, the days of getting good prices on him are over and done with, but at least I cleaned up when they were good. I agree though, with horses like 'Cat and Bernardini, we're (read, not us) quick to ask questions like "BEST HORSE IN THE WORLD?!'" "NEXT SECRETARIAT" "FASTER THAN EASY GOER?!" before they've really done anything of note at all.

Yet somehow people are still hesitant to give Invasor all the credit he deserves. He is a GREAT racehorse, and one of the best ones to come along in some time.

Another dumba$$, that can't interpret...

I was done talking about your post after my last post. Stop taking it so personally.

I'm not "interpreting" anything in this thread, but pointing out how people have responded (repeat, "people," not "that guy pointg5").

So with that, if I were you I'd reconsider who's calling who a "dumba$$" here, buddy.

You seemed just fine to chime in on it before, so I didn't think this was different. Maybe you aren't a dumba$$.

Obviously.

The jury is still out.

Okay so you admire Invasor, good for you. That wasn't my main point to you which is that you don't know what you're talking about and can't define any of the comments you made about not rolling and how it was not normal.

Many people like yourself just spew out words in a effort to appear like they really know something. But when you probe them a bit you find out that the thoughts were based on faulty reasoning, failed to employ logic, or were simply not thought out that well at all. With you it's probably a blend of these elements.

Since you also immediately when challenged resort to name calling, my conclusion is that you have nothing to offer and are simply an angry unpleasant person and not one that I want to waste any further time on.

Stay away from the other forum then because over there Invasor isn't that impressive. :rolleyes:

not sure what forum that is, but that sounds crazy! how can anyone not be impressed with invasor? i guess he isn't 'thrilling' enough for some, doesn't close out of the clouds with a rush, just catching the leaders at the wire, and giving everyone a heart attack...he doesn't explode out of the turn with a huge burst.
yet, he wins-all but once, champion on three continents and best horse in the world--but some aren't impressed.
that is sheer lunacy-and a perfect example of ignoring what's right in front of your nose!

Yeah somehow his campaign just isn't enough for them.

that's CRAZY!

i wonder how many who are unimpressed thought gz's campaign was just fine, or that bernardini did enough, and proved himself??

Yeah I know, and I bet I know who said that.:rolleyes:

I think its the same guy who came on here and said Discreet Cat would win EASILY, yesterday. Its not fair to keep picking on him though because he has such a horrible handicapping record.

He actually hasn't posted yet....I'm sure he's probably still typing his response to it all since Invasor hit the wire yesterday. :D

There are people who would rather perceive brilliance in the annihilation of mediocrity than in less "flashy" wins against much better.

Well one thing we know for sure, whenever he completes his response, is that he WILL NOT be impressed. I can guarantee that.

Any guesses as to how long it would have taken him to fire off a post if DC had won? I would say under a minute.!

What is it with people named after Point Given on this board? He was a very nice 3yo, but people are doing more on this board to disgrace his name than even Point Determined did!!

I love all of these folks playing the underdog Invasor card.

I don't see anyone on here ripping apart Invasor's competition like they ripped apart Bernardini's. I don't see anyone getting their panties in a bunch, huffing and puffing about how overrated Invasor is like they did about Bernardini. So quit with the "Invasor doesn't get any respect" tomfoolery. He might not get the "Bernardini = (Insert great horse here)" threads, but he also isn't getting the "I would give my left leg to see Bernardini run last" threads either. Take a breath.

Invasor is a great horse. Anyone who denies that is a moron. As is anyone who completely writes off Bernardini for losing by a length to Invasor. As is anyone who says Invasor is definitively better than Bernardini because of that race.

They're both in my Top Five list of greatest horses I've ever seen.

That is probably because Bernardini was overrated and Invasor is not.

I think anyone who uses the BCC as their sole reason for Invasor being definitvely better than Bernardini is a tool as well.

But it certainly plays a part in coming to the overwhemingly obvious conclusion that Invasor, in all reality, is a definitively better horse than Bernardini was.

Right. One race, losing by ONE LENGTH to the horse that "isn't overrated," makes Bernardini overrated. Solid.

And what would be those other parts, considering that they never faced each other elsewhere? Obviously Invasor has beaten better competition, but does that make him a definitively better horse? You might say yes, but I disagree.

I think the competition is a huge factor. Neither have beaten a TON, but then again there isn't/wasn't much out there to beat. But the fact remains that the only time Bernardini really got a test from anything resembling a top-class racehorse, he didn't come through.

On the other hand, I think the Classic is important and we shouldn't dismiss it because Bernardini had every right to win that race and couldn't do it, so regardless of the fact that they only met once the result was important. Sure it was one length, but it's not like there was even a second during the stretch where Jara and Invasor didn't have Bernie's measure. It's the richest North American race and the horse wasn't even being urged in the very late stages. I believe, there is more stock to put into that race than you're letting on.

Cigar Mile H. (G1) winner DISCREET CAT (Forestry), who suffered his first loss when checking in last of seven in Saturday's Dubai World Cup (UAE-G1), underwent a thorough veterinary examination at Al Quoz Stables on Sunday morning, according to the Godolphin website.

An endoscopy of his respiratory tract found an "obstructive granulomatous mass" within the colt's throat, as well as "significant swelling of the underlying throat wall," attributed to an "infective process."

Godolphin's veterinarians believe that these throat issues compromised Discreet Cat's performance in two ways. His airflow was obstructed, and he was also suffering "significant discomfort." The four-year-old bay is being treated for these maladies.

http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/edito...ll_edition.cgi

But the point is that it was one race. There's no doubt that Invasor was the better horse THAT DAY (though not tons better like you say). But who's to say what would've happened on a different track on a different day? For example, does Discreet Cat's race in Dubai make Invasor definitively better than Discreet Cat? He might indeed be better than DC, but I'm not willing to make that claim off of one race.

You might say that it's a different situation because DC wasn't himself yesterday, but I don't think Bernardini was himself in the Classic either. I hesitate to say that, because the Bernardini snipers will rush on here and say I'm making excuses, but I'm not saying that that makes the result phony at all. I'm also not saying, however, that the one race makes Invasor better than Bernardini.

Your logic is spot-on, and I can't argue with it. And I know we've rehashed the whole "was Bernie at the top of his game in the BCC" discussion about 10 times. I do, and have stated why previously, and you don't. I think it was a fair assessment of their respective abilities and it actually got run exactly how I thought it would. My tickets on the race that day reflected exactly what happened straight.

Can you ever PROVE definitively that one horse is better than another? In all likelihood, minus the obvious examples (Secretariat vs. a 3200 claimer at CT), you can't. It's all in what you see. The way I view it, Invasor is a clearly superior animal to Bernardini. Not loads superior, but obviously better. I think he was much better (please know that when I say "much," I mean like 2-3 lengths, but not 10 lengths) than Bernie in the BC, all things considered. These types of conversations are never "definitive," because someone can always raise some sort of objection, even if illogical, that has to be considered. To me, it's a no-brainer in every sense.

What? Where the hell did you get that from? Losing that race didn't make Bernardini overrated. He was overrated long before that.
Losing a race doesn't make a horse overrated. How highly that horse is rated does. I didn't say Bernardini was a bad horse. He wasn't. There is no shame in running second in the BCC or running second to Invasor. But he was overrated last summer/fall. No reasonable person could dipute that.
You don't seem to fully grasp what overrated means. It doesn't mean bad. It just means......well......overrated.

I'm curious how one would come to this conclusion. What do you base this opinion on?

Of the love of God get off the Bernardini. He is gone. Invasor is better this year than he was in the BC. Barbaro was also a great horse then by Bernadini standards. They just did not run enough to get all bent out of shape. I personally think Smarty Jones was better, but he had a short career also.

Invasor is a top flight older horse. The others never got to the older category.
If you take glory in Bernardini losing by one length fine. But he did not come back, Invasor has with a fury. He is a better horse now. Invasor barely even breathes hard after he is finished tough races. The animal is unique. And I love watching him run, great athlete. Maybe we can all say Candy Ride was the best horse we have ever seen cause he slaughtered Megs in such an awesome fashion. One time. And then he is done.

Lol. When and if Invasor loses this year, are we going to read all this "overated" crap again. I just love watching this horse run. I dont try and rate him against other great horses, or compare him either. I just am appreciative to his owners who have given us racing fans ther pleasure of watching him race.

Bunch of haters around these parts. Alan, did you read that Discreet Cat was garbage after the race?....Horses lose all the time. Put to pile on when they do is rough.