It is a shame Andy. It's painfully obvious the guy has immense talent, but until he cools his heels and learns to ride without so much wasted emotion, he will continue to go without that high profile horse.

When his head is in the ballgame...hes top notch. When he does sh*t like Sunday...he just leaves you scratching your head.

Exactly... if he needs to settle it, he can wait until after he has dismounted. It's unbelievable that there are people who believe it to be acceptable for him to retaliate. I don't care if Martin hit him over the head with a sledgehammer... he has no right to put other horses and riders in danger.

I think what we are trying to portray to you is the fact that they both got the same amount of days is what is mind boggling to us. If they want to give Martin a couple days for "careless riding", so be it. But for the stewards to actually think they both deserve the same suspension...it just flat bullsh*t and speaks volumes for their competancy in the job they are doing.

Who cares at that point? It's up to Coa to be an adult and not take it out on the track! He put other people (and horses) in danger.

Thank you for clarifying what seems to be being missed by some.

Ok I understand here.....I am defending the decision to suspend Martin. If Martin's horse never came out to force Coa to check then Coa would never had lost his cool and did what he did. One action caused another action. This is why I think the Stewards suspended Martin as well. So what I am saying is that the stewards prob looked at this and thought that Coa wouldnt have acted like he did if Martin's horse didnt cause him to check. Does this make sense here.

So a blind man can never have an opinion. That seems reasonable.

What is also being lost here are the bettors. It is very possible the outcome of the race was altered by Coa's behavoir.

See post #84

Now that is a very good point.

Andy, why do you think they left Ice up for show? I guess they felt the outcome of the race wouldn't have changed had the incident not occured?

I think both should have rec'd 30 days. I do not see where one should have rec'd more days than the other.

You are the one that said how I can have an opinion without seeing something. If I was blind I couldnt have an opinion on this since I cannot see the video.

You are next in line for a stewards job with the NYRA if you actually think that....

Actually, no. You'd have to rely on what other people told you, so your opinion would be skewed. :rolleyes:

You're obviously NOT blind, though, so you COULD appease us and watch the replay. :p

You would be the first person I would hire to assist me too.

It doesnt matter if I watch it or not. It is simple. Martin's horse came out, caused Coa to check. Coa got pissed and decided to take matters into his own hands. Coa was wrong and should be suspended. However, Coa would never had done what he did if Martin's horses didnt cause Coa to check. Martin didnt intend to do what he did and Coa did. However, the stewards didnt see it that way. I think both should be suspended for 30 days.

Ok i watched it. Both Martin and Coa should be suspended for 30 days. I agree that both should be suspended.

Me too.

That makes no sense. One was an accident and the other was malicious and deliberate. With this kind of logic, you would think that someone who accidentally shot a gun and killed someone should get the same amount of jail time as someone who shot someone in cold blooded murder.

I know. I think I need to call it quits and hit the sack. Nite DaHoss.

It isnt about one being an accident or not. It is what the Stewards wanted to do or what they saw what happened. They sent a message saying that you (jock) are going to be held accountable for everything your horse does while on the track.

Night Cajun and DaHoss. Glad to know people are open to opinions on this fine forum.

That they are... this is a great board. :cool:

hmmm....I guess being called a Troll or accussed trying to start a fight are words for YES, we welcome all opinions even if they differ from mine or the majority.

Huh? I never called you a troll. I don't agree with your opinion, but you know what they say... opinions are like a$$holes, everyone has one.

Didnt say you did. Sorry if you felt as if I accussed you of doing something. I love opinions. If it wasnt for opinions then things would never get accomplished.

I didnt twist anything around. I said from the start that both Martin and Coa should be suspended. Yeah, I will let everyone at the Association for the Blind know that you think people cannot have an opinion unless they see it.

Good to know free speech and opinions are perceived as trolling on this board.