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Hickory Hill Hoff 03-21-2007 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Payson Dave
Steve, I agree...Troy is improving....
And now that i think about it I also have to agree with estreetposse that parts of Fulton County have some poverty issues...

Poverty in the Mohawk Valley??? :rolleyes:

As Jack Nickelson "The Joker" in Batman said; "This town (area) need a ennma!"

Sightseek 03-21-2007 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
Troy is a pretty cool little city IMO.. On the upswing too with the Tech Valley stuff going on. Have looked at buying a townhouse kind of building cheap downtown several times the last couple of years and rehabbing it.

Get it while it's still cheap.....

One other thing, on the towns outside of Saratoga, they are making huge efforts to improve them due to the fact that many people are looking to buy outside of Saratoga due to taxes. I lived in RI for many years, which has very expensive property values. The prices on real estate in upstate NY are
amazing to me.

Sightseek 03-21-2007 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
These are real numbers, not made up stuff that you're spouting just to delude everyone into thinking you're right...


State of Kentucky...Its per-capita personal income was US$28,513, 43rd in the nation

Bourbon County... Males had a median income of $30,989 versus $23,467 for females.

Fayette County...Males had a median income of $36,166 versus $26,964 for females

Clark County... Males had a median income of $35,774 versus $24,298 for females

Scott County... Males had a median income of $40,604 versus $25,767 for females

With your mentality the rest of the state must be like living in Darfur!! Oh the humanity!!

The income difference between males & females is ridiculous.

estreetposse 03-21-2007 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
Get it while it's still cheap.....

One other thing, on the towns outside of Saratoga, they are making huge efforts to improve them due to the fact that many people are looking to buy outside of Saratoga due to taxes. I lived in RI for many years, which has very expensive property values. The prices on real estate in upstate NY are
amazing to me.

:mad:
Then the taxes should really amaze you!!!

Sightseek 03-21-2007 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by estreetposse
:mad:
Then the taxes should really amaze you!!!

You're taxes are less here than there too.

estreetposse 03-21-2007 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
You're taxes are less here than there too.


Sorry, don't know about RI, I do know that in Mass. a house assessed more than $400k more than mine pays less in taxes than I do. Find the right area up here, you will be fine, Stray too far & pay out your A**.

Sorry no more on this K-land thread.

Payson Dave 03-21-2007 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
The income difference between males & females is ridiculous.

Not looking for a fight here ....
Don't know how those numbers are calculated but...if stay at home moms with no income are included in the female median income calculations then that might skew the numbers and might partly explain the differences....it might be old fashion but there are still some couples where the husband works and the wife willingly stays home with the kids.

SniperSB23 03-21-2007 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Payson Dave
Not looking for a fight here ....
Don't know how those numbers are calculated but...if stay at home moms with no income are included in the female median income calculations then that might skew the numbers and might partly explain the differences....it might be old fashion but there are still some couples where the husband works and the wife willingly stays home with the kids.

I don't know if those are included in the numbers above but you can clearly see the wage discrepancy here where it doesn't factor is stay at home Moms or Dads:

http://www.bls.gov/cps/cpsaat39.pdf

Even male sewing machine operators make more than females!

Payson Dave 03-21-2007 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
I don't know if those are included in the numbers above but you can clearly see the wage discrepancy here where it doesn't factor is stay at home Moms or Dads:

http://www.bls.gov/cps/cpsaat39.pdf

Even male sewing machine operators make more than females!

I'm sure that there is some injustice in pay...that said however, is it as black and white as some might assume?? maybe, then again maybe not.... do the numbers include OT earnings also?? do the numbers include part-time employee earnings also??
maybe, then again maybe not.

SniperSB23 03-21-2007 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Payson Dave
I'm sure that there is some injustice in pay...that said however, is it as black and white as some might assume?? maybe, then again maybe not.... do the numbers include OT earnings also?? do the numbers include part-time employee earnings also??
maybe, then again maybe not.

I'm sure they include OT earnings. So are you suggesting that men are more likely to work overtime than women across every occupation out there and that is accounting for the discrepancy? The fact is if a man and a woman have the same job the man will get paid on average 24% more nationwide. Those are BLS numbers, not statistics manipulated by some special interest group.

Payson Dave 03-21-2007 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
I'm sure they include OT earnings. So are you suggesting that men are more likely to work overtime than women across every occupation out there and that is accounting for the discrepancy? The fact is if a man and a woman have the same job the man will get paid on average 24% more nationwide. Those are BLS numbers, not statistics manipulated by some special interest group.


As I said before... I'm sure that there is some injustice...I'm just not sure that it is as black and white as the BLS numbers seem to suggest...maybe it is but maybe the numbers are don't tell the whole story...Once again I'm not saying that there is not some injustice....not lookng for a fight... just call me a bit skeptical of how data can be interpreted.:cool:

Coach Pants 03-21-2007 02:32 PM

Just remember to make a trip to Keeneland. The poor people of Kentucky need your money!!

Rootdog1 03-21-2007 02:38 PM

you make me laugh Pillow

Cannon Shell 03-21-2007 02:39 PM

I find it hard to believe that the area around Keeneland is being talked about in negative terms. The big A, Hollywood, Hawthorne, Pimlico, Fair Grounds, etc, maybe.

Rootdog1 03-21-2007 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
I find it hard to believe that the area around Keeneland is being talked about in negative terms. The big A, Hollywood, Hawthorne, Pimlico, Fair Grounds, etc, maybe.


My point exactly.

NoCarolinaTony 03-22-2007 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
If you're a racing fan then you simply owe it to yourself to go to Lexington. Yeah, Keeneland is small, yeah it gets crowded, but in today's world of dwindling attendance Keeneland is one of the few tracks left where people are excited to be at the races. For us, the confused who love something that everyone else seems to have forgotten, this is a place where we belong. Anybody that spends a lot of their time at the NY tracks knows the sad feeling on closing day at Saratoga, the last day for 10 1/2 months when we aren't outcasts, understands exactly what I mean.

Andy you put into words what i have been trying to say for some time now. Great Post!!

NC Tony

brianwspencer 03-22-2007 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
I find it hard to believe that the area around Keeneland is being talked about in negative terms. The big A, Hollywood, Hawthorne, Pimlico, Fair Grounds, etc, maybe.

The area around Hawthorne is pretty special.

jman5581 03-22-2007 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
I find it hard to believe that the area around Keeneland is being talked about in negative terms. The big A, Hollywood, Hawthorne, Pimlico, Fair Grounds, etc, maybe.

I find it to be a pretty nice place compared to where a lot of racetracks are located...

Grits 03-22-2007 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Cardus
Keeneland is one of the few aesthetically pleasing racecourses in America. It's a no-brainer to visit it.

And as someone who frequents NY tracks like Andy, I get the same feeling when Saratoga closes. That is balanced for me by opening day of Belmont's spring meet. After six months of Aqueduct's dreariness, it is so refreshing to return to Belmont.

Belmont Park is one of THE most grand, most beautiful racecourses in the country. When one sits up high and looks outward at its vastness, then turns to the paddock with its trees and ivy covered brick to welcome you, there's no prettier place anywhere.

Coach Pants 03-22-2007 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jman5581
I find it to be a pretty nice place compared to where a lot of racetracks are located...

Have you seem some of the conditions horses live in around keeneland? You can obviously tell that these horses are living in poverty. Some of them not only have to suffer grazing on cheap kentucky bluegrass, they also suffer with soreness!!

paisjpq 03-22-2007 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
Have you seem some of the conditions horses live in around keeneland? You can obviously tell that these horses are living in poverty. Some of them not only have to suffer grazing on cheap kentucky bluegrass, they also suffer with soreness!!

how would you know that, did you feel their legs?

Coach Pants 03-22-2007 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by paisjpq
how would you know that, did you feel their legs?

No. I was driving north on Versailles Road and I was looking at those rundown farms and noticed quite a few that were suffering with soreness. I told my friend, who I was talking to on the cell at the time, that the cruelty that these poor horses endure was unbearable to watch.

Storm Cadet 03-22-2007 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Grits
Belmont Park is one of THE most grand, most beautiful racecourses in the country. When one sits up high and looks outward at its vastness, then turns to the paddock with its trees and ivy covered brick to welcome you, there's no prettier place anywhere.

Agree, can't wait for the BIG A to close and move racing to the Yankee Stadium of racing!;)

Grab a table in the sun by the paddock, bring a cooler and your set!

Grits 04-09-2007 03:10 PM

StormyC, have you left for Keeneland yet???????????

That plate of food above me looks mighty good.

Storm Cadet 04-09-2007 06:39 PM

Grits,

I leave early Friday morning for the FRI-SAT & Sun cards.

I CAN'T WAIT!:D

Grits 04-09-2007 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Storm Cadet
Grits,

I leave early Friday morning for the FRI-SAT & Sun cards.

I CAN'T WAIT!:D

I may get a wild hair . . . if I do, I'll pm you. We'll watch some racing.

BillW 04-09-2007 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Storm Cadet
Grits,

I leave early Friday morning for the FRI-SAT & Sun cards.

I CAN'T WAIT!:D

You should've taken the whole week off! :D Just got in last night, spent the morning at the Thoroughbred Training Center, tomorrow - Tim Conway at the Horse Park and the rest of the week, of course at the track!

Storm Cadet 04-09-2007 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by BillW
You should've taken the whole week off! :D Just got in last night, spent the morning at the Thoroughbred Training Center, tomorrow - Tim Conway at the Horse Park and the rest of the week, of course at the track!

Damn Bill, I can't take the WHOLE week off...well maybe my Head Coach thinks I do during racing season now that hoops is over with :eek: , but seriously, hit some longshots, meet some filly's, and see what reservations look like at MALONES for the 1st night. Might not have the $$$ to go there past Friday the way I played Keeneland this weekend.

Also, ask if NYRA credentials work down there for parking. They probably want all of our Yankee money!

Grits 04-09-2007 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Storm Cadet
Damn Bill, I can't take the WHOLE week off...well maybe my Head Coach thinks I do during racing season now that hoops is over with :eek: , but seriously, hit some longshots, meet some filly's, and see what reservations look like at MALONES for the 1st night. Might not have the $$$ to go there past Friday the way I played Keeneland this weekend.

Also, ask if NYRA credentials work down there for parking. They probably want all of our Yankee money!

BillW, there's plenty of free parking unless you want to pay valet Clubhouse parking. Horseman's parking is a pretty small area including only a few rows.

And StormyC make your reservations for Malone's days ahead, earlier in the week. If you can't get in, Tony Roma's steaks and ribs at Lexington Green are a good substitute. Plus, the Marriot at Griffin Gate is EXCELLENT.

BillW 04-09-2007 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Storm Cadet
Also, ask if NYRA credentials work down there for parking. They probably want all of our Yankee money!

I don't know about NYRA credentials, but I was told that a Yankee Junior All-Star Club card will get you free parking :p. I'll check out Malones tomorrow.

BW

Storm Cadet 04-09-2007 09:08 PM

Don't start with the YANKEE jokes! Have you seen where your ASTROS are lately since you've been on the road? Here's a reminder:


CENTRAL W L PCT GB HOME ROAD RS RA STRK L10
Cincinnati 4 2 .667 - 4-2 0-0 27 19 Lost 1 4-2
Pittsburgh 4 3 .571 .5 0-1 4-2 24 27 Lost 1 4-3
Milwaukee 3 3 .500 1 3-3 0-0 30 28 Won 1 3-3
St. Louis 3 4 .429 1.5 0-3 3-1 20 28 Won 2 3-4
Chicago Cubs 3 4 .429 1.5 0-1 3-3 29 31 Lost 2 3-4
Houston 2 5 .286 2.5 1-5 1-0 21 30 Won 1 2-5

:eek:

BillW 04-09-2007 09:42 PM

They ain't my Astros - I'm from Pittsburgh :D BTW you've got mail :p

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Originally Posted by Storm Cadet
Don't start with the YANKEE jokes! Have you seen where your ASTROS are lately since you've been on the road? Here's a reminder:


CENTRAL W L PCT GB HOME ROAD RS RA STRK L10
Cincinnati 4 2 .667 - 4-2 0-0 27 19 Lost 1 4-2
Pittsburgh 4 3 .571 .5 0-1 4-2 24 27 Lost 1 4-3
Milwaukee 3 3 .500 1 3-3 0-0 30 28 Won 1 3-3
St. Louis 3 4 .429 1.5 0-3 3-1 20 28 Won 2 3-4
Chicago Cubs 3 4 .429 1.5 0-1 3-3 29 31 Lost 2 3-4
Houston 2 5 .286 2.5 1-5 1-0 21 30 Won 1 2-5

:eek:


Grits 04-10-2007 03:35 PM

See you Thursday StormyC. and Rootdog as well, I hope.

Maybe we'll have better weather than it looks to be on Wednesday. I hope so anyway.

Storm Cadet 04-10-2007 04:06 PM

Great I'll PM you my cell tonight...call me when you get to the track!:cool: I get there on Friday AM.

Mortimer 04-11-2007 07:47 AM

Sent ya all an e-mail.

Grits 04-11-2007 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by mortimerdexterfoxworthy
Sent ya all an e-mail.

I must have missed it.

Come join us in Lexington. I was going to drive today, but its raining from here in Carolina all the way to Kentucky. So, for that, no thanks. It makes for a long 10 hour drive. Changed my reservations, and will leave tomorrow morning.

Wish you would join us. . .


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