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Downthestretch55 02-12-2007 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by randallscott35
Agreed, its funny I hear people bring up Guiliani's marriages, I don't care about that. Smoking is actually a worse example but to each his own. Doesn't impact my voting for him.
Well, if Rudy was unprotected while testing the "waters", could he be the first HIV prez?
Somethin' musta been smokin', Rudy!
Live hard!
good to know your prostate is ok...and your wife says ya don't need viagra.
Does anyone know the std's she's gotten along the way?

randallscott35 02-12-2007 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Bababooyee
In short, no.

BTW, how much has the NYC paid out to settle lawsuits brought by residents and city workers (mostly about constitutional rights violations) for things done under Rudi's admin? Last I heard, almost $2M. Imagine him with an already established Dept of Homeland Security...
Who knows, but you could get 2M for falling on a sidewalk in the city. That's nothing.

randallscott35 02-12-2007 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Downthestretch55
Well, if Rudy was unprotected while testing the "waters", could he be the first HIV prez?
Somethin' musta been smokin', Rudy!
Live hard!
good to know your prostate is ok...and your wife says ya don't need viagra.
Does anyone know the std's she's gotten along the way?

Huh? You have me stumped on this one.

pgardn 02-12-2007 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by EpBurns
OK lets cut to the chase I have a question and I don't think there is a right answer nor a wrong answer. Do you think that the country is ready for either a non-white or a women to be president??? it is a simple question and alot will say it doesnt matter as long as she/he is a good politicain. But come on folks it does matter there are still enough people out there that dont think we are ready for either, and I won't lie I don't care what women it is I will not vote for a women for the president of the untied states call me what you will I just won't, as for a non-white I will reserve the right to check him out and make a decision, But I will say I think as a people we might be ready for a women more so then a Black. Just my thoughts. I am sure I will get bashed for the women remark but oh well at least it will spark a debate.
If the country has survived under the current adminstration, I have faith that we can survive almost anything. Now that the cards are on the table, its clear GW chose a horrible group of people to help him run things on the whole. There are clearly competent people here and there, but on the whole horrendous appointments (from cabinet to foreign ambassadors). I have to ask myself what candidate will not owe positions to backers after what we have been through and go from there. From that point of view, McCain seems to me the guy that would owe the least and therefore have the ability to pick the best people for all of the important jobs (even FEMA). Even though I clearly have misgivings about him.

Downthestretch55 02-12-2007 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by pgardn
If the country has survived under the current adminstration, I have faith that we can survive almost anything. Now that the cards are on the table, its clear GW chose a horrible group of people to help him run things on the whole. There are clearly competent people here and there, but on the whole horrendous appointments (from cabinet to foreign ambassadors). I have to ask myself what candidate will not owe positions to backers after what we have been through and go from there. From that point of view, McCain seems to me the guy that would owe the least and therefore have the ability to pick the best people for all of the important jobs (even FEMA). Even though I clearly have misgivings about him.
Pgardn,
McCain has already gone "all in" with the "surge".
I hope it works out for him, but I don't think so.
If it doesn't, he's a "fold" and walks away from the table. Rudy isn't far behind.
And, yes, your thoughts on GW are correct. Some "legacy".

Downthestretch55 02-12-2007 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by randallscott35
Huh? You have me stumped on this one.
Randall,
Rudy had prostate cancer, told his second wife about the divorce during a press conference, now has a third.
To me, he's not a "stand-up" guy.
Do a google.

randallscott35 02-12-2007 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Downthestretch55
Randall,
Rudy had prostate cancer, told his second wife about the divorce during a press conference, now has a third.
To me, he's not a "stand-up" guy.
Do a google.
Who cares? Personal lives are the biggest hoax for politicians. Did you like Clinton? He was a scumbag but a decent President. That's what's important. I'm not looking for a Godfather to my children. I want a leader.

somerfrost 02-12-2007 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Downthestretch55
Randall,
Rudy had prostate cancer, told his second wife about the divorce during a press conference, now has a third.
To me, he's not a "stand-up" guy.
Do a google.
And Bill Clinton had cigars that had a distinct smell and used the Oval Office to have illicit encounters with a young woman (maybe women)...still, he was a better President than most. Ike had a mistress forever...the tabloid stuff doesn't interest me, I'd rather have a person in the office who was a saint, but they don't often run for the job!

Downthestretch55 02-12-2007 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by somerfrost
And Bill Clinton had cigars that had a distinct smell and used the Oval Office to have illicit encounters with a young woman (maybe women)...still, he was a better President than most. Ike had a mistress forever...the tabloid stuff doesn't interest me, I'd rather have a person in the office who was a saint, but they don't often run for the job!
SF and Randall,
Good points...I'm just stating what won't "play" in the Bible belt.
Ike did a pretty good job. Clinton got impeached for his desires.
Rudy will have to come up with some answers to the thumpers before he gains credibility. See also WTC 7.

Danzig 02-12-2007 04:40 PM
hell, jefferson was from the south...he got elected.

yeah, ok, bad example-that was a long time ago....

Downthestretch55 02-12-2007 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig188
hell, jefferson was from the south...he got elected.

yeah, ok, bad example-that was a long time ago....
D-zig,
You need more examples? Lyndon Baines, Jimmy, Dubbya and Dub Daddy.
If ya need more, I can google.

Coach Pants 02-12-2007 04:51 PM
I'm voting for Kucinich.

SentToStud 02-12-2007 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Downthestretch55
Well, if Rudy was unprotected while testing the "waters", could he be the first HIV prez?
Somethin' musta been smokin', Rudy!
Live hard!
good to know your prostate is ok...and your wife says ya don't need viagra.
Does anyone know the std's she's gotten along the way?
lol. "not tonight, my prostate's acting up."

Giuliani has his problems but only one counts. He can't win. He does not have a chance. He's going to have to answer for his views on abortion, gays and guns as well as his own morals and he's going to get killed.

I'm expecting an incredibly vicious campaign for the Republican nomination. It's going to be an absolute bloodbath as the scramble is on to save the GOP.

The Far Right of the party may not be able to carry a candidate to win in the General election any more but they will surely have enough steam to not allow Giuliani as their candidate.

Danzig 02-12-2007 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Downthestretch55
D-zig,
You need more examples? Lyndon Baines, Jimmy, Dubbya and Dub Daddy.
If ya need more, I can google.
my point was that presidents past and present had their private skeletons in their closet, didn't make them unelectable. certainly our founding fathers had their moments-thank goodness the religious right and morals police weren't around back then to keep them from doing their job!

pgardn 02-13-2007 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Downthestretch55
Pgardn,
McCain has already gone "all in" with the "surge".
I hope it works out for him, but I don't think so.
If it doesn't, he's a "fold" and walks away from the table. Rudy isn't far behind.
And, yes, your thoughts on GW are correct. Some "legacy".
DTS. This surge is NOT popular in the moderate conservative group which McCain clearly sits. An example that he will buck the tide and will do what he thinks is appropriate. The guy has political guts which is probably why he will not be elected. He is not wishy-washy enough. You know where he stands. Not nearly as vague as the boma or hillary.

Downthestretch55 02-13-2007 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by pgardn
DTS. This surge is NOT popular in the moderate conservative group which McCain clearly sits. An example that he will buck the tide and will do what he thinks is appropriate. The guy has political guts which is probably why he will not be elected. He is not wishy-washy enough. You know where he stands. Not nearly as vague as the boma or hillary.
Pg,
Catch the link on the other thread where he'll be the "keynote speaker" for the creationists on Feb 23.

Downthestretch55 02-13-2007 12:44 PM
Here's some more on Rudy.
Might be just me, but I don't think a 14 year marriage to your second cousin will play. (half-way down)
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive...giuliani1.html

randallscott35 02-13-2007 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Downthestretch55
Here's some more on Rudy.
Might be just me, but I don't think a 14 year marriage to your second cousin will play. (half-way down)
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive...giuliani1.html
Second cousin makes all the difference. LOL, again, who cares? I sure don't.

Downthestretch55 02-13-2007 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by randallscott35
Second cousin makes all the difference. LOL, again, who cares? I sure don't.
Doesn't matter to me either...I already said I won't vote for him.
However, the second cousin issue might not "play" with certain key supporters of the right-wing Repubs, and in the B-belt.


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