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Danzig 02-03-2007 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
He will NEVER be a top jock. He's had a very beneficial relationship with Kiaran that has worked out well for both of them.

If this horse had not gotten through today he would have lost this mount and possibly Jazil. It was a needless and foolish choice he made.

i agree that he made a bad decision today for SURE. horse was head and shoulders above the others, why stick him down inside and wait for someone to quit in front of him?

but why ride him if he wasn't doing well? kieran could get anyone...

i don't see enough rides to know, which is why i asked. thanks.

paisjpq 02-03-2007 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
He will NEVER be a top jock. He's had a very beneficial relationship with Kiaran that has worked out well for both of them.

If this horse had not gotten through today he would have lost this mount and possibly Jazil. It was a needless and foolish choice he made.

not to mention scary...if that horse had lost Kiaran would have had every right to eviscerate Jara right there on the track

Danzig 02-03-2007 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Anyone just see the Rose family sneak in another 99-1 horse in the Gulfstream finale?

kelly and i watched, cheered him on! love to see stuff like that happen.

GPK 02-03-2007 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by paisjpq
not to mention scary...if that horse had lost Kiaran would have had every right to eviscerate Jara right there on the track


where in the heck did that word come from???:eek:

hoovesupsideyourhead 02-03-2007 05:07 PM

look for dettori to ride him in emerates..or maybee r hills

Danzig 02-03-2007 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Yeah, very heads up to shut a horse off when you have no horse.

I think that's called bad sportsmanship.

and i agree with that! these aren't CARS these people are driving. horses shouldn't end up paying a price for a jocks ego-or bad decision.

he couldn't win, so try to keep invasor from getting thru? i hope that isn't what he was thinking...

paisjpq 02-03-2007 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by T3B
where in the heck did that word come from???:eek:

I was overdue for a ten center...

Danzig 02-03-2007 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by paisjpq
not to mention scary...if that horse had lost Kiaran would have had every right to eviscerate Jara right there on the track

he'll be lucky not to have it happen anyway. took quite a risk-i know many will be waiting to hear how invasor is doing tomorrow!

randallscott35 02-03-2007 05:10 PM

Beth throwing out the biggies. I like it.

Slewbopper 02-03-2007 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig188
yeah, he usually does great-first bad ride i have personally witnessed by him. bound to happen.
a little too sure maybe? probably thought those others would part like the red sea for him. ooops.

That was a Franklinesque ride today and a very impressive run by the winner.

randallscott35 02-03-2007 05:13 PM

I doubt Jara will lose his job b/c of this. His ride in the Classic and on Jazil will save him from banishment.

dftwhbvxlcklop 02-03-2007 05:14 PM

I am sure that Kiaran will castigate Jara. But I am sure Jara will imbibe information from this ride.

GPK 02-03-2007 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35
Beth throwing out the biggies. I like it.


im impressed too Rand...im just used to hearing the obscenties she spews at me every other day:o

randallscott35 02-03-2007 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by 1 dollar pick 3
I am sure that Kiaran will castigate Jara. But I am sure Jara will imbibe information from this ride.

You mean castrate.

dftwhbvxlcklop 02-03-2007 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35
You mean castrate.

Maybe that too, but I mean castigate. Jara would be a gelding. Or maybe Kiaran will take it easy and make Jara a ridgeling.

SniperSB23 02-03-2007 05:20 PM

I don't think Jara is a bad rider (although he used bad judgement today) but I think his ride on Jazil has been soooo overrated in the Belmont. The horse ran the exact same speed the entire race. Any perceived move that Jara was making was just other horses tiring while Jazil plugged along at the same speed.

Anyone that could make weight and hold on for the ride would have won on that horse that day.

The Indomitable DrugS 02-03-2007 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Yeah, very heads up to shut a horse off when you have no horse.

I think that's called bad sportsmanship.

They are wrong Andy---Johnny V wasn't on A.P. Arrow, that was Kent D.

ArlJim78 02-03-2007 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
The whole " Jara is a good rider " thing is total crap. He's a very mediocre rider at best. What he has been proving is that good horses overcome all.

To take a chance with a horse like that, in a spot like this, was foolish and should absolutely cause the connections to consider a rider switch.

agree, a horse like that deserves the best jock, a top jock.
I have been holding my breath every race hoping that he wouldn't throw in a clicker, well he did today.

Personally I wouldn't worry much about changing jocks at this point. Its all the horse. Invasor would make any of them look like HOF riders.

The Indomitable DrugS 02-03-2007 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 1 dollar pick 3
The best ride was by Johnny V. The way he rushed up to close off the hole and then geared down to trap Invasor was a thing of beauty. If Johnny V didnt do that then Jara prob would have angled out and won by 7 plus lengths. But what a heads up ride by Johnny V.

That was Desermeaux who did that on A.P. Arrow....another one of his vintage crazed rides that he is only capable of.

blackthroatedwind 02-03-2007 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
They are wrong Andy---Johnny V wasn't on A.P. Arrow, that was Kent D.

Well, the rider of AP Arrow had more than a right to keep him from taking his hole. Of course AP Arrow didn't start running until he got to the outside but that's another story.

I haven't watched the race carefully. I'm still pissed Invasor got through at all as I wanted Zito to win a Grade 1.


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