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U S RANGER 01-02-2007 04:37 PM

If Lava Man is going to have any success in Dubai, the connections should give serious consideration to shipping him early enough to acclimate to a new environment and also run in one of the prep races in late February or early March.

Gander 01-02-2007 04:37 PM

Ball Four
Suave
Seek Gold
Watershed event


All Grade 1 winners?

blackthroatedwind 01-02-2007 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Gander
Ball Four
Suave
Seek Gold
Watershed event


All Grade 1 winners?


They all finished ahead of Perfect Drift last year.

Gander 01-02-2007 04:57 PM

Thats a trick question. You could make a heck of a longer list than that. Perfect Hanger. Gotta love him.

ArlJim78 01-02-2007 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Gander
Ball Four
Suave
Seek Gold
Watershed event


All Grade 1 winners?

These were the winners of the 2006 races that Perfect Drift finished second in.

Ball Four beat him in a six horse field in the Kentucky Cup Classic gr11

Suave beat him by five lengths in the Washinton Park Handicap Gr11 , a seven horse field. Suave went to the BCC, was 30 to 1 on the morning line and ended up beating only one horse, David Junior. The fact that Perfect Drift finished well in front of Suave in the BC shows he ran his race, maybe better.

Of course Seek Gold beat him in the Foster at Churchill in what had to be the highlight of the year for him. Seek Gold was something like 70 to 1.

And to begin the year, Watershed Event beat Perfect Drift in a five horse allowance event.

If your best effort comes up short against this bunch under much easier conditions, it may not be your year to take down the BCC.

ManilaRose 01-02-2007 05:17 PM

I believe it's fairly obvious he ran in order to compete in his 5th straight BC Classic and because he's a gelding they've made a fortune with, not because he was a logical contender.

brockguy 01-02-2007 05:21 PM

There's alot of horses that win races when people think they havent a chance. PD deserved his place in the field.

Cannon Shell 01-02-2007 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by outofthebox
Someone please remind the O neill barn that all medications must cease at least 30 days out from the race. We don't need another Brass Hat fiasco.

I was thinking the same thing
I only saw him train a few times this fall but he isn't the smoothest looking thing in the A.M.

Danzig 01-02-2007 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I sure do hope that Lava doesn't go to Dubai. No point, plenty of money to be won winning races in Cali.

i'm on the fence at this point regarding lava man. yeah, plenty of money to be had in cali, but then there's the 'been there, done that' line of thought.

racing is full of risks and rewards. maybe they know something we don't. maybe they send him over early enough, he gets over his homesickness and runs well. who knows?

besides, horses are put in over their heads all the time--it's given us some great moments in racing over the years...jim dandy's travers win immediately leaps to mind.

if lava man is happy, healthy, doing what he enjoys...go for it. it doesn't injure him to ship, he doesn't read the papers so he has no clue what kind of reputation he has!

Cannon Shell 01-02-2007 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by brockguy
There's alot of horses that win races when people think they havent a chance. PD deserved his place in the field.

If we are going to complain about short fields in big races we cant complain when horses like this run. I know he has lost a step or three but "its better to be a has been than a never was"

2Hot4TV 01-02-2007 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
*Raises hand.*

Perfect Drift had a legitimate excuse in the BCC.

As for Lava Man, if the horse was stabled in Kentucky all year as he is California, I think he would run just as well in Kentucky. I don't think it's the track surfaces that do him in... I think it's his uncomfort in being stabled in new digs. Just my take on it...

I'm a big Lava Man fan, but you're right about him racing at home. Steve told us that when he saw Lava Man at Churchhill for the BC that he was having a problem with his new home and appeared to be a "STALL RACER". Let him be King of California till someone beats him.

2Hot4TV 01-02-2007 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
I was thinking the same thing
I only saw him train a few times this fall but he isn't the smoothest looking thing in the A.M.

But he sure looks good in the winners circle at $500,000 a shot last year.

Cannon Shell 01-02-2007 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV
But he sure looks good in the winners circle at $500,000 a shot last year.

Yes he does but the most important "shot" may not be available in Dubai.....unless you are owned by the home team, of course.

2Hot4TV 01-02-2007 07:02 PM

There's no place like home.

paisjpq 01-02-2007 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Yes he does but the most important "shot" may not be available in Dubai.....unless you are owned by the home team, of course.

well now...he could get one of the other 'shots' that the competition got last year...the one's that 'relaxed' them...did anyone ever investigate that?

GPK 01-02-2007 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
If we are going to complain about short fields in big races we cant complain when horses like this run. I know he has lost a step or three but "its better to be a has been than a never was"


country song...

"I ain't good as I once was...but I'm as good once, as I ever was":D

Pedigree Ann 01-02-2007 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by paisjpq
well now...he could get one of the other 'shots' that the competition got last year...the one's that 'relaxed' them...did anyone ever investigate that?

What I heard is that because the trainer did the tests on his own, they don't exist for the local racing authorities and in fact the authorities are debarred from taking any action based on tests they did not order. Some sort of catch-22 situation like that as I recall.

paisjpq 01-02-2007 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann
What I heard is that because the trainer did the tests on his own, they don't exist for the local racing authorities and in fact the authorities are debarred from taking any action based on tests they did not order. Some sort of catch-22 situation like that as I recall.

nice...damned if you do damned if you don't...:rolleyes:


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