Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 1135659)

I don’t want to say I told you so in regards to Maximum Security but I’m interested in hearing his more vocal fans (Knicks, SCUDS when he’s allowed to use a computer) opinion on the allegations.

Originally Posted by goodcopy (Post 1135685)

The absolute worst thing that could happen to the sport right now!
Dead horse being burying illegally! So no one knows?
Cut them loose, make a sever example of all the trainers, owners, Vets, and anybody they(The F.B.I.)can prove what they did and are accusing!
Baseball, Football, Golf, all major sports, and most minor sports would mediately get rid of these criminal elements.
What hell is going on here?

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes (Post 1135689)

Cut them loose ? I have news for you. If you get indicted by the Feds, you’re going to federal prison. Ask Vick, or Martha Stewart, or these parents who paid to get their kids into college. This is serious business and they’ve been watching for a long time.

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 1135662)

The list of enablers is very long and distinguished. It’s funny because I don’t recall anyone ever defending Navarro. But Servis is another story.

He had a lot of people fooled, right up until yesterday. When people questioned his move ups, they were told what a nice guy he was and that his methods were unorthodox. Horses thrived in his barn. When his winning percentage seemed too good to be true, they were told about how much he cared for the horses and how he just gave them more time than other trainers. When horses turned into pumpkins after leaving his barn and people pointed to that as potential proof, they were told horses just react differently to different methods.

He even played the choir boy role to perfection. Not an easy thing to do when you know you’re pumping horses full of PED’s and thats your edge.

Originally Posted by philcski (Post 1135693)

What the industry needs to do is have statistical analysts look at each performance and the likelihood of result. Once a trainer/owner/jockey has too many questionable results (good OR bad), the scrutiny starts. Automatic security detail on the barn, etc. It's not hard to identify these guys through the past performances. Use the information available and act on it.

Originally Posted by herkhorse (Post 1135696)

Many of these horses seem to need lots of time between races. Maybe they should be tested every few weeks whether they race or not.

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 1135698)

Out of competition testing does occur ahead of big stake targets, most notably Breeder's Cup. But as came up last year, those that are cycling steroid/steroid-like meds have taken horses off by the time horses are checked. And then, as seen with this situation, there's matter of things that won't test.

Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 1135653)

It's a disgrace. And every owner who employed them is complicit. They can try to act shocked and appalled now, but they obviously knew exactly what was up. They hired these guys specifically because they were miracle workers. It's easy to throw sleazebags like Navarro and Servis under the bus after the **** hits the fan, but this is a systemic problem. If owners and racetracks didn't tolerate their cheating, these guys wouldn't exist. I'm glad the feds had the guts to do what everyone in racing has been too cowardly to for years on end.

Originally Posted by ScottJ (Post 1135703)

Twenty-five horses in joint ownership between Dubb/Servis. I want to believe, but Occam's Razor has a place in this discussion.

https://www.thoroughbreddailynews.co...ckening-to-me/

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 1135707)

To me this has been the most embarrassing part of the entire ordeal. The owners playing dumb insults everyone’s intelligence.

Originally Posted by Konk (Post 1135706)

I would suggest it would be a good move for all the owners who have used these bottom feeders to suspended from racing anywhere indefinitely until all is sorted out. Like when a police officer is involved in a shooting, he is taken off the streets until all is figured out. Time for a no tolerance stance.

As far as out of racing testing, maybe we should demand all horses be tested at least once every 28 days, at owner's expense, in order to remain eligible to run.