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philcski 10-12-2006 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing
No, I don't and frankly I've stated how disappointed I'd be if they retire Bernardini prematurely, but let me ask you this, Mr. Trump:

What would you do if you owned an animal that was worth upwards of $100,000,000 ad that is a chip you could cash in? You would run him until he was 7, right? :rolleyes:

Sheikh Mo is worth Mr. Trump times 10.

Cunningham Racing 10-12-2006 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski
Sheikh Mo is worth Mr. Trump times 10.

That wasn't the point...............

dr. fager 10-12-2006 03:15 PM

sort of valid...when has it ever been about the money?

I mean that'll let him overpay for about 6-7 more horses down the road and all.

philcski 10-12-2006 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing
That wasn't the point...............

My point is, if i were Sheikh Mo where money is no object i'd keep him in training for his 4YO career (including a stop in Dubai for the entertainment of his entourage.)

Seattleallstar 10-12-2006 03:17 PM

lol comparing Sheik Mo and Donald Trump. Its like comparing frozen salibsury steak to steak from Lugar's in NY

Cunningham Racing 10-12-2006 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by dr. fager
sort of valid...when has it ever been about the money?

I mean that'll let him overpay for about 6-7 more horses down the road and all.

Tis horse will stand for $200,000 or more....mark it down.....he is that good of a stallion prospect (Bernardini), probably moreso tha any other horse I've ever seen forging into the breeding market.....

It is very easy to him as a horse that could change the breed and significantly impact racing's future stars...

dr. fager 10-12-2006 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing
Tis horse will stand for $200,000 or more....mark it down.....he is that good of a stallion prospect (Bernardini), probably moreso tha any other horse I've ever seen forging into the breeding market.....

It is very easy to him as a horse that could change the breed and significantly impact racing's future stars...

that's nothing compared to his oil. So now that he won his Classic he IS about the money?

Cajungator26 10-12-2006 03:24 PM

Personally, I don't care for Bernie as a stallion prospect. NOT a fan of Quiet American at all and he's inbred all to hell. I'll pass...

Cunningham Racing 10-12-2006 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski
My point is, if i were Sheikh Mo where money is no object i'd keep him in training for his 4YO career (including a stop in Dubai for the entertainment of his entourage.)

I would too, thats why I'm surprised if this were to prove true...he can afford to be sporty and I feel as though he almost has a hidden obligation to this industry to be a aggressive on the racing end in the positon that he is in....

You think he's hated nhow by American race fans?...Shiat....They'll want to string him up i he follows through with this decision ad they should be mad...we should expect more from Darley and group.....(kidding bout the stringing up part of course :D )

I would no longer remotely support them if they did this.....one of the reasons I respected them was because I thought that if they had a good horse that was perfectly healthy they race him as long as he was effective and good because they could afford to do so above any others in the game....I really hope I wasn't wrong about them, but if I was, then I will throw my Godolphin membership card in the trash and start a retraction thread about every supportive thing I've said about them over the last 5 months :eek:

Cunningham Racing 10-12-2006 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Don't really get the Mr. Trump reference. Point is what is another $100,000,000 to these guys. If they are so "sporty" let the horse run. And no not until 7 you child, let the world see how good he is.

We've seen how good he is, but I get your point, dad :D

Cunningham Racing 10-12-2006 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Good boy. Now don't forget to eat all of your vegetables.:D

Not brocolli again, pops......you know I don't like brocolli :D

Cannon Shell 10-12-2006 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing
No, I don't and frankly I've stated how disappointed I'd be if they retire Bernardini prematurely, but let me ask you this, Mr. Trump:

What would you do if you owned an animal that was worth upwards of $100,000,000 ad that is a chip you could cash in? You would run him until he was 7, right? :rolleyes:


If I had Sheik Mo money; not only would I continue to race him but when it was time to stand him at stud, I would limit his book to 60 mare, only mine!
I mean what the hell difference does the money mean to him and his family? 99% of the owners in the world would get no negative comments from me if they retired the horse because when you can get life changing money, you have to do it . But there is pretty much no number that will change his families life.

Cannon Shell 10-12-2006 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski
The "test barn" is a bunch of mularkey as far as im concerned. do you really think NYRA wouldn't "look the other way" if their most important trainer were a little over the limit on this way or that (especially considering things like the recent photo finish incident in indiana?) The thing that bugs me here is Pletcher has legitimately good horses like English Channel that DON'T need this crap, why risk your career on a horse like Fleet Indian when you already have half of the top 10 in the distaff division anyways??

NYRA doesn't do the testing, the NY racing and wagering board does. I am sure that the "look the other way" method has been used in NY but also in other states.
If you believe that Pletcher has an unfair advantage then why would he only use it on Fleet Indian? How do you know that English Channel is "legitimately good"? I dont understand your argument on this?
I could understand if you said that he has the most talented barn in the history of American horseracing and are disguisted because you feel he has an unfair advantage as well as the best horses. But to claim that you can tell which horses have been illegally enhanced and which ones haven't been, kind of demeans the whole crux of your argument.

hoovesupsideyourhead 10-12-2006 08:21 PM

good for them they have the best horses this year...im on the roll call no 2..as for them not racing dini after the bc ..who cares..hes earned a life of good living for performing well..i mean i dont want to see another funny cide deal....yes gelding blah blah blah...dini is a great horse and could continue to spank all the compitition ..and make money..so why not let him make money in the shed..its the same thing but he wont get injurys ..beating the same wanna bees over and over....and cannon shell...you da man..

pgardn 10-12-2006 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Pointg5
I don't think Bernardini broke his heart, he didn't run a step, he probably didn't even see Bernardini...If he would have made a move on him, maybe, but he's not a dirt horse...

He got his heart broken by all the horses in that race. Pitiful. Broken by Bernardini, thats funny Cunningham. You think Dylan would have won the race if Bernardini was not in it?

What a crazy post, your first one.

philcski 10-13-2006 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
NYRA doesn't do the testing, the NY racing and wagering board does. I am sure that the "look the other way" method has been used in NY but also in other states.
If you believe that Pletcher has an unfair advantage then why would he only use it on Fleet Indian? How do you know that English Channel is "legitimately good"? I dont understand your argument on this?
I could understand if you said that he has the most talented barn in the history of American horseracing and are disguisted because you feel he has an unfair advantage as well as the best horses. But to claim that you can tell which horses have been illegally enhanced and which ones haven't been, kind of demeans the whole crux of your argument.

Fine, I'll state on public record I've been to his barn several times recently and played with basically all of his top beasts, you can tell immediately which ones have been "enhanced" based on (a) their demeanor and (b) their eyes.

On top of that, I don't think it takes a rocket scientist to determine that EC is (and was) a quality individual from the day he broke his maiden, while Fleet Indian has improved nearly 20 lengths from 4 to 5. That just does not happen to horses with established form...


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