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oracle80 10-12-2006 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Would fighting to keep the weight scale down so that jockies are forced to starve themselves and purge be considered one of the great Pat Day's wonderful contributions to racing?
I'm sorry but noone makes people choose that line of work. A lotta guys I know would have liked to have been football players but weren't 6' 3'' 300 pounds. Its basically know when you wanna be a jockey that you have to be light. I'd like to see the scale raised a bit, yes. But its not like Pat Day started the scale of weigths that has existed for decades.

blackthroatedwind 10-12-2006 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by oracle80
I'm sorry but noone makes people choose that line of work. A lotta guys I know would have liked to have been football players but weren't 6' 3'' 300 pounds. Its basically know when you wanna be a jockey that you have to be light. I'd like to see the scale raised a bit, yes. But its not like Pat Day started the scale of weigths that has existed for decades.
You're right but one would think a god-fearing and supposedly passionate man like Pat Day, one who has certainly seen the suffering the weight scale has caused his bretheren, would have been more benevolent. Just seems a little hypocritical to me.

Then again his self-righteousness always turned me off as much as his riding did. Was he EVER on the rail at Keeneland?

oracle80 10-12-2006 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
You're right but one would think a god-fearing and supposedly passionate man like Pat Day, one who has certainly seen the suffering the weight scale has caused his bretheren, would have been more benevolent. Just seems a little hypocritical to me.

Then again his self-righteousness always turned me off as much as his riding did. Was he EVER on the rail at Keeneland?
I know he was on the rail with Summer Squall in the Preakness when he turned the tables on Unbridled. That was a fantastic ground saving ride.

blackthroatedwind 10-12-2006 05:22 PM
The only time I remember Keeneland standing in for Pimlico was Seabiscuit.

He was, however, also on the rail in the Preakness with Easy Goer when he shamefully got him beat.

Coach Pants 10-12-2006 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by oracle80
small margins with qustionable rides.
They both got clear trips on no medication one time, and Easy Goer drilled him and humiliated him.
And of course we all know about the famous attending vet Harthill(now passed away) and his famous methods Seattle, but you are too young and dumb to understand what journalists tried to say between the lines about him and SS when Goer couldnt even run on lasix.
Tell you what I do KNOW!!! When SS shipped to belmont they told ole Charlie that there was gonna be round the clock surveillance on his horse, "to make sure he was safe and noone got to him". LOL!!! Ole charlie sure was full of bravado after the Derby and before the Preakness, but was awfully bitter and on edge the weekend of the Belmont.
The real deal was that Easy Goers connections knew and felt that ole Doc Harthill was the problem. And no way, no how was he getting near him before the Belmont.
We know the rest, Easy Goer disposed of SS like tissue paper under a snug hold and just cruised home. Funny what happens when horses are put under surveillance huh.
Harthill was a nice guy. So nice that most of the security guys looked the other way. If you knew him you couldn't help but like him.

oracle80 10-12-2006 05:23 PM
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Harthill was a nice guy. So nice that most of the security guys looked the other way. If you knew him you couldn't help but like him.
What a great way to run a racetrack, how heartwarming.

timmgirvan 10-12-2006 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
You're right but one would think a god-fearing and supposedly passionate man like Pat Day, one who has certainly seen the suffering the weight scale has caused his bretheren, would have been more benevolent. Just seems a little hypocritical to me.

Then again his self-righteousness always turned me off as much as his riding did. Was he EVER on the rail at Keeneland?
I'm sure from your posts that your self-righteousness was BETTER than his self-righteousness!

Coach Pants 10-12-2006 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by oracle80
What a great way to run a racetrack, how heartwarming.
He got away with it for years. If I recall, Patton sent the word down to go after the guy but they couldn't find anything to pin on him.

blackthroatedwind 10-12-2006 05:26 PM
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I'm sure from your posts that your self-righteousness was BETTER than his self-righteousness!
It would certainly be a battle!

I do, however, have full confidence in my abilities.

Cannon Shell 10-12-2006 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
Harthill was a nice guy. So nice that most of the security guys looked the other way. If you knew him you couldn't help but like him.
Not to speak bad of the dead but nice would not be a word that most would best describe Dr. Harthill.

eurobounce 10-12-2006 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by oracle80
I think everyone is well aware of what he was in the 70's and very early 80's. I see no need to even comment on it. What hes done since then has surely made up for every sin he ever committed, and then some.
You said you would be lucky to live 1/10th of the life Pat Day did or something like that--well which 1/10th. The 1970 and 1980 Pat Day or the 1990 to present Pat Day. To this day, the 70's and 80's haunt Mr Day.

Blue Eyes 10-12-2006 08:54 PM
Come on people... do you think Doc Harthill was/is the only vet out there that "helps" horses?? I would estimate 80% of vets on the backside have the same "skills" as Doc Harthill.

oracle80 10-12-2006 09:20 PM
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You said you would be lucky to live 1/10th of the life Pat Day did or something like that--well which 1/10th. The 1970 and 1980 Pat Day or the 1990 to present Pat Day. To this day, the 70's and 80's haunt Mr Day.

Euro/Kycherub,
I'm more than just a little sick and tired of having words I post twisted, or dissected in a manner that is less than the truth.
I think that any reasonably intelligent person would realize that what I meant by that statement was that if I could live my life in 1/10th the manner of class that Pat Day has lived his in the last 24 years, I'd be proud.
My patience with you is at an end.

Blue Eyes 10-13-2006 05:23 PM
[quote=eurobounce]You said you would be lucky to live 1/10th of the life Pat Day did or something like that--well which 1/10th. The 1970 and 1980 Pat Day or the 1990 to present Pat Day. To this day, the 70's and 80's haunt Mr Day.[/QUOTE]

"Haunt" him? Hardly. The man has made ammends and walks without any weight on his shoulders.

oracle80 10-13-2006 05:35 PM
[quote=Blue Eyes]
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Originally Posted by eurobounce
You said you would be lucky to live 1/10th of the life Pat Day did or something like that--well which 1/10th. The 1970 and 1980 Pat Day or the 1990 to present Pat Day. To this day, the 70's and 80's haunt Mr Day.[/QUOTE]

"Haunt" him? Hardly. The man has made ammends and walks without any weight on his shoulders.
I agree very much.

Revolution 10-13-2006 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by oracle80
Euro/Kycherub,
I'm more than just a little sick and tired of having words I post twisted, or dissected in a manner that is less than the truth.
I think that any reasonably intelligent person would realize that what I meant by that statement was that if I could live my life in 1/10th the manner of class that Pat Day has lived his in the last 24 years, I'd be proud.
My patience with you is at an end.
Maybe you shouldn't do it to other people and they wouldn't do it to you. I think many posters have taken lessons from the master by reading your posts.

Revolution 10-13-2006 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by oracle80
Yeah he sure looked it in the belmont didn't he? Only got beat a football field.
Who are you kidding. Sunday Silence beat him when it counted. In the KY Derby and the Breeder's Cup Classic. They raced 4 times and he beat Easy Goer three of them. Results. Not potential.

oracle80 10-13-2006 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Revolution
Maybe you shouldn't do it to other people and they wouldn't do it to you. I think many posters have taken lessons from the master by reading your posts.
One thing I never do is twist anyone's words or attribute lies to them.
Thats for guys like you who lack the intelligence or skills to debate or stick it to someone just using the very words that they used, rather than tweaking them or lying.
The biggest contribution you have made so far was to redboard a winner after the race was over. Thats my best recollection of your insights. I look forward to more!!!


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