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Danzig 03-07-2014 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 968438)
Unfortunately, it would not resonate so loudly if there weren't valid reasoning behind it. His foreign policy is an absolute, absurd, global joke - I don't know how that can even be debated - when you blindly authorize the bombings of civilians "in the interest of national security" and out of the other side of your face make pretend you're some sort of Mother Teresa when trying to solve everyone else's issues...Only Americans are the ones not getting it at this point.
my point being that no matter what obama does, it's wrong. when he bombed libya, it was wrong. now that he's not bombing russia, that's wrong.

bigrun 03-07-2014 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 968431)
gingrich is a fool.
for one, ukraine and crimea don't really mean much to the u.s.a. and it's interests. so, for him to suggest any action, anywhere on the globe demands our attention is pitiful.
putin and russia aren't powerful like newt makes them out to be. i know Putin thinks he's a world power/mover/shaker.
Putin is trying to expand his reach by keeping Ukraine friendly to Russia, rather than them going into the sphere of the west. his move into crimea won't win him many friends in Ukraine, and will only cause them to cozy up to the west that much more. this will backfire on Putin.


and i have to say, all this bs from the repubs regarding how 'strong' putin is, and how 'weak' obama is, is one of the worst exhibitions of cognitive dissonance i have seen in quite some time.
and ffs, who came up with 'mom jeans' as a slur? :rolleyes:

Fox heads have that covered...Stewart featured them last nite...His and Colbert's shows all week were spot on:tro:

dellinger63 03-07-2014 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 968431)
and i have to say, all this bs from the repubs regarding how 'strong' putin is, and how 'weak' obama is, is one of the worst exhibitions of cognitive dissonance i have seen in quite some time.:

If only the two would fight it out till the death and settle who's weak. Granted there is a 10 year age advantage v. Putin

Odds even?

All for charity (Ukraine) pay per view?

dellinger63 03-10-2014 08:58 AM
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The escalating standoff has seen Obama vow to impose travel bans and asset freeze on Russia officials held responsible for endangering the territorial integrity of Ukraine.

US officials have stressed that Putin himself is not on that list but also warn that Washington could pull out of a G8 summit the Russian leader is hosting in Sochi in June.
http://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-plans-...063306255.html

WTF :zz:

Hillary thinks Putin is following Hitler's plan while the administration leaves him off the list of those responsible.

bigrun 03-10-2014 01:50 PM
Yeah if only Obama had Dumya's balls he'd show them who's boss..:p

Danzig 03-10-2014 02:07 PM
i read earlier where cheney was rewriting history, explaing how russia invaded georgia after bush was out of office.

that would be wrong.

dellinger63 03-10-2014 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 969107)
i read earlier where cheney was rewriting history, explaing how russia invaded georgia after bush was out of office.

that would be wrong.
Hearsay of hearsay. Understandable you don't want to post a link.

A book I read a few years back outlines Russia's invasion and the discussions following within the Bush administration and Cheney was a part of it. Think the title was A Little War that Shook the World or something like that.

BTW Russia's invasion of Crimea without bloodshed or violence was the direct opposite of what happened in Soviet Georgia probably because unlike the Crimean's, the Georgian's did not want the Russians.

GenuineRisk 03-10-2014 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 969114)
Hearsay of hearsay. Understandable you don't want to post a link.
It's not hearsay; he did it on Face the Nation:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/saletan/2...y_doesn_t.html

hi_im_god 03-10-2014 06:44 PM
I think we should go to war.

Otherwise our votes in 2 elections for a hardass will have gone to waste.

Americans knew in 2008 and 2012 we were voting for someone who wouldn't be a wretched softie like Bush.

We voted for someone who would stride pridefully across the globe flexing his muscles. Putin rides a grizzly bare chested. Obama must ride the eagle naked.

hi_im_god 03-10-2014 06:48 PM
BTW: I'm just exhausted from the whole lower case persona. It's over in case anyone cared.

bigrun 03-10-2014 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by GenuineRisk (Post 969132)
It's not hearsay; he did it on Face the Nation:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/saletan/2...y_doesn_t.html
People are still interviewing Darth Vader:zz:

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If you’re reading this blog, there’s a good chance you’re liberal. Certainly, Slate’s reader comments show a strong leftward tilt. Many of them express sweeping contempt for Republicans. That’s understandable, because much of the GOP has gone off the deep end. When you watch the brain-dead House Republicans vote week after week to repeal Obamacare, or the latest Tea Party nut job call President Obama a traitor, it’s hard to take Republicans seriously.:tro:
Vance ..top comment..
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"Now be very quiet, boys and girls, we are approaching a Sane Republican. This is an extremely rare species, on the verge of extinction. Be careful not to startle it. They are timid creatures, beset by enemies on all sides. They exhibit almost human-like behavior, not to be confused with the Insane Republican, a creature with a loud, obnoxious cry and a tendency to dirty its own nest. Ssssh! Some Sane Republicans can be found in zoos, but it's unusual to see one in the wild.":tro:

dellinger63 03-10-2014 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by GenuineRisk (Post 969132)
It's not hearsay; he did it on Face the Nation:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/saletan/2...y_doesn_t.html
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The lesson of that, I think, it was—it came at a time, sort of at the end of the Bush administration, the beginning of the Obama administration.
History revised? I think not....

But that's why I called BS.

What was Obama's reaction to the invasion, or was that when he was being awarded the nobel piece of shiat peace prize?

dellinger63 03-10-2014 07:51 PM
Let's use this as an example.

Surely we 'Americans' can agree that Senior Citizens pensions and deductions ie. Social Security should not be used to finance/back the Ukraine promise of a billion or anything other than SS?

So just dedicate all future SS deductions be used for nothing other than SS payments or the account. In other words put it in not a lock box but in another f'n account.

dellinger63 03-17-2014 10:01 AM
Must say the Obama promise of 'dire consequences' was swift...

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The Obama administration on Monday imposed a new round of sanctions on Russian officials, self-declared leaders in Crimea and others deemed responsible for the unrest and instability in Ukraine.

In an executive order, President Obama named seven Russian officials whose U.S. assets now will be frozen and “may not be transferred, paid, exported, withdrawn or otherwise dealt.” Others, including former Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych, also have been targeted.
Just imagine the sheer agony of waking up tomorrow morning and all your Russian assets are frozen and can't be transferred. You'd no longer be allowed to conduct transactions using the ruble and countries like China and N. Korea may not take your money either. Would you be able to live with that hanging over your head?

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The seven Russian officials — not including President Vladimir Putin or Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev — were targeted based on power in a new executive order signed by the president on Monday morning.
Huh? Professional courtesy? Or is Yelena Mizulina, State Duma deputy, dictating Putin's next move.

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While Mr. Obama spoke to Mr. Putin on the phone Sunday night and promised further costs if Russia doesn’t pull back, the Russian president is not among the 11 people named.
Let me guess. No more Disney comps?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...-others-new-s/

Cannon Shell 03-17-2014 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 969937)
Must say the Obama promise of 'dire consequences' was swift...



Just imagine the sheer agony of waking up tomorrow morning and all your Russian assets are frozen and can't be transferred. You'd no longer be allowed to conduct transactions using the ruble and countries like China and N. Korea may not take your money either. Would you be able to live with that hanging over your head?



Huh? Professional courtesy? Or is Yelena Mizulina, State Duma deputy, dictating Putin's next move.



Let me guess. No more Disney comps?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...-others-new-s/
Does this affect the NJ nets? If so Joey will be so pissed...

dellinger63 03-17-2014 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 969941)
Does this affect the NJ nets? If so Joey will be so pissed...
Not unless the State Duma Secretary has some tickets she needs to scalp. If so you may have to pay in rubles until further notice. The travesties of war.

What we're doing to the list of eleven is almost inhumane.

bigrun 03-17-2014 11:54 AM
Yeah, where the heck are our tanks...:mad:...we are watching as Russia invades a sovereign country..we would never do that:tro:

dellinger63 03-17-2014 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by bigrun (Post 969947)
Yeah, where the heck are our tanks...:mad:...we are watching as Russia invades a sovereign country..we would never do that:tro:

Don't worry the freeze of all U.S. assets/transactions will work as soon as they try to access their Netflix and porn accounts. ;)

Danzig 03-17-2014 01:36 PM
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...vasion_of.html



http://www.slate.com/blogs/saletan/2...ction_was.html

dellinger63 03-17-2014 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 969961)

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A referendum cobbled together in less than two weeks in the presence of thousands of undercover Russian soldiers will hardly show the true will of Crimea’s people, especially since the Crimean Tatars have pledged to boycott it. The Tatar community, which makes up 14 percent of the population, now fears it will be targeted as a result.

Crimea’s actual conflict isn’t ethnic; it’s the split between the suspicious, fearful sovok, or Soviet, mentality and a new generation of free minds. It’s little surprise that tearing down statues of Vladimir Lenin, founder of the Soviet Union, has become so controversial.
This conflict is between the 20% Tatar community and the majority. The Tatars are muslims and to believe they represent a generation of free minds is both insane and insulting.

An example of 'Free Minds' at work "a husband can have sex with his wife regardless of her consent. The bill also prevents women from leaving the house without their husband's permission, would restrict women's rights in matters of parental custody after divorce and make it easier for men to take multiple wives."


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