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Danzig

01-13-2014 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Jay Frederick (Post 960752)

It was 10, not 12. Got me.

My point remains the same. I wonder if there would have been this kind of outrage had Steve not said anything. I follow the sport very closely and until Steve said something I didn't even realize she was omitted, because I never even considered her a winner of the award.

Maybe that is what happened to the voters. I don't know. Just so there is no confusion, I understand why this is an issue, I just wish issues that actually impact people were discussed with this much passion.

they are, or even more so.

i have never understood why people jump into a discussion only to say it shouldn't be taking place, or that other things are more important.

Jay Frederick

01-13-2014 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 960765)

they are, or even more so.

i have never understood why people jump into a discussion only to say it shouldn't be taking place, or that other things are more important.

They are? Where?

As for your second paragraph that isn't what I did.

Danzig

01-13-2014 02:23 PM

you got me. i'm sure all the impassioned discussions we've had here over the years on a variety of subjects is a figment of my overblown imagination.

have a great day.

Kasept

01-18-2014 08:25 PM

2013 Eclipse Winners

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 960039)

Horse of the Year: Mucho Macho Man, Will Take Charge, Wise Dan

Two-Year-Old Male: Havana, New Year’s Day, Shared Belief
Two-Year-Old Filly: Chriselliam (IRE), Ria Antonia, She’s a Tiger

Three-Year-Old Male: Orb, Palace Malice, Will Take Charge
Three-Year-Old Filly: Beholder, Close Hatches, Princess of Sylmar

Older Male: Game On Dude, Mucho Macho Man, Wise Dan
Older Female: Joyful Victory, Royal Delta, Tiz Miz Sue

Male Sprinter: Points Offthebench, Sahara Sky, Secret Circle
Female Sprinter: Dance to Bristol, Groupie Doll, Mizdirection

Male Turf Horse: Magician (IRE), Point of Entry, Wise Dan
Female Turf Horse: Dank (GB), Laughing (IRE), Mizdirection

Steeplechase Horse: Divine Fortune, Gustavian, Italian Wedding

Owner: Juddmonte Farms, Midwest Thoroughbreds, Kenneth and Sarah Ramsey
Breeder: Adena Springs, Morton Fink, Kenneth and Sarah Ramsey

Trainer: Bob Baffert, Bill Mott, Todd Pletcher
Jockey: Javier Castellano, Joel Rosario, Gary Stevens
Apprentice Jockey: Victor Carrasco, Manuel Franco, Edgard Zayas

Sightseek

01-18-2014 08:48 PM

Willis Horton :tro: :tro:

Kasept

01-18-2014 09:53 PM

ECLIPSE VOTING: http://www.ntra.com/eclipse_awards/f..._Composite.pdf

tbevans

01-18-2014 10:09 PM

Horse of the Year

Can someone explain the vote count? MMM is listed 2nd but appears to have more "points" than WD. Or is this really just a question of first place votes?

tbevans

01-18-2014 10:11 PM

Sorry I mean for Older Male.

robfla

01-18-2014 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by tbevans (Post 961507)

Can someone explain the vote count? MMM is listed 2nd but appears to have more "points" than WD. Or is this really just a question of first place votes?

Eclipse Awards voters cast their ballots to rank the top three horses and individuals in each Championship division on a 10-5-1 point system basis. Eclipse Award winners are determined by first-place votes only.

Why even have a point system if first place votes ONLY count towards winning?

Cannon Shell

01-19-2014 01:33 AM

Next year I'm buying Dan LeBatard's vote, leaving the ballot blank except voting for myself as champion breeder and Dee Tee stable as owner and some miscellaneous filly sprinter for Steeplechase champion just to see if anyone is paying attention.

It is ridiculous that 249 people are voting on these awards considering the large number of qualified people who dont have a vote and the fact that the number of actual full time media members that deserve a vote is about 10% of the total.

Yeah in the end it doesnt matter that much, virtually no one outside of racing cares and a large majority of people in racing dont much care either but this is an easy fix and doesnt require any govt approval or contractual agreements.

Cannon Shell

01-19-2014 01:36 AM

I'm also going to name a horse Abstain just to confuse the issue further

Seattleallstar

01-19-2014 02:05 AM

I only have a problem with Javier winning the jockey award, it should of been Mike Smith or Gary Stevens. Those two elevated the importance of being a jockey, while Javier showed us how to lose races on favorites and Normandy Invasion to name a few. JR got hurt too so that basically gave him the Pletcher aces too by default along with his Chad Brown and Shug horses

iamthelurker

01-20-2014 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Seattleallstar (Post 961516)

So whichever rider is lucky enough to obtain top quality mounts on a consistent basis is undeserving of an eclipse award...:zz:

10 pnt move up

01-20-2014 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by iamthelurker (Post 961720)

So whichever rider is lucky enough to obtain top quality mounts on a consistent basis is undeserving of an eclipse award...:zz:

Obtaining high quality mounts is not a "luck" thing, its actually a very important part of being a world class jockey (and agent).

iamthelurker

01-20-2014 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up (Post 961726)

Obtaining high quality mounts is not a "luck" thing, its actually a very important part of being a world class jockey (and agent).

Really? I thought they just selected the riders randomly...

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