Totally agree with you; I was just saying what I thought the court's reasoning was as to why warrants aren't necessary.

still haven't read the dissent, have you?
the dna collection on king was NOT for id.

Ok I agree with you now. Let's let poor Alonso out immediately and be sure anyone who had DNA collected w/o a warrant whether it be a cigarette butt or a hair sample out as well. Shiat let's throw them all some money for violating their civil rights. :wf

and more govt. overreach:

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...customers?lite


The White House is defending the practice of gathering cell phone records from American citizens while neither confirming nor denying a report that the NSA is collecting records from millions of Verizon customers.

The practice was first revealed by the British newspaper The Guardian on Wednesday, which obtained and published a highly classified court order that requires the production of “telephony metadata” by the telecommunications giant.

The order compelled Verizon to produce to the NSA electronic copies of "all call detail records or telephony metadata created by Verizon for communications between the United States and abroad" or "wholly within the United States, including local telephone calls," The Guardian said.

“This disclosure also highlights the growing gap between the public’s and the government’s understandings of the many sweeping surveillance authorities enacted by Congress.”

The law on which the order explicitly relies is the "business records" provision of the USA Patriot Act.

Senators Ron Wyden of Oregon and Mark Udall of Colorado, both Democrats on the Senate Intelligence Committee, said in a March 2012 letter to Attorney General Eric Holder that most Americans would “stunned to learn the details of how these secret court opinions have interpreted section 215 of the Patriot Act.”