lol
don't hold your breath waiting.

Yeah - I've yet to see anyone post data from one economist, in 2012, that disputes the CBO's report on the stimulus re: the effect on jobs and GDP.

You're right - don't hold your breathing waiting to see any one here be able to explain "why the stimulus is a massive failure" - other than that they hate Obama.

Math, not welcome here. Point proven again that once math is introduced to a debate on this forum the debate moves on to something else.
Numbers do not lie.

Which is why you haven't been able to quote one economist in 2012 saying the CBO report on the stimulus working (via measurable jobs and GDP data) was false.

Post one. Just one.

I've posted the following economists that say the stimulus worked, with their supporting data via published studies.

Feyrer and Sacerdote.
Chodorow-Reich, Feiveson, Liscow, and Woolston.
Wilson.
Congressional Budget Office.
Council of Economic Advisors.
Zandi and Blinder.
Oh and Reis.

Where are all those economists saying the stimulus was a massive failure again? Can you name one?

Damned data always gets in the way of propaganda and demogoguery... :p

I'd be impressed if he can remember that there are 50 and not 57 states.

More on Jill Stein:

It’s a hell of a thing when the nominee of the far-left Green Party espouses a stronger work ethic than the President of the United States. But that’s what we’ve come to.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion...AwcXWVACadtQuL

i think that's where the stimulus that obama pushed thru failed. it should have been a works/infrstructure package, not a temporary fund to cities to hire more police/fire dept workers and teachers. cause when the money ran out, so did the jobs, because the states couldn't afford to keep them on the payroll.
see, there's not as much of a domino affect when you hire those employees. but when you work on highways, bridges, other infrastructure-purchases are made. equipment, supplies, etc. money flows for those projects in many directions. plus there's the bonus of fixing deteriorating structures.
oh well. maybe next time.

:rolleyes:

yeah, cause that's so damned important that it has to be brought up ad nauseum.

The current administration can make anyone's stomach turn over.

:rolleyes:

:tro:

Hey, Joey? Hey, ARyan? No offense, but you guys are really looking clueless here. Perhaps you are simply unable to understand this?

For the third time, concentrate really hard here, and try to understand this reality:

NOBODY IS SAYING THE DEFICT HASN'T GONE UP!

Only pointing out that Obama has NOT caused a $5 trillion dollar increase. That is not true.

Obama's polices did NOT cause that debt increase. Obama has NOT added "$5 trillion to the deficit and debt" by his policies. That is false.

Obama's policies cost us $1.4 trillion through 2016.

Our paying interest, and basic costs, still, on policies from previous administrations still cost us money, we are still paying for them, we are still compounding interest on them.

Yes, the debt has gone up. The debt would continue to go up, no matter who was president. Why?

Because the interest on the debt compounds, and policies created under previous administrations, that were not paid for, continue to be unfunded and cost us money.

Are you guys really incapable of understanding this most basic concept about how money works?

Bush cost us trillions in unfunded wars, the cost of those wars extending out approximately 20 years well past his presidency. WE ARE STILL PAYING FOR THAT, WITH COMPOUNDING INTEREST! That is NOT the current administrations' fault.

Can you understand that concept?

The ongoing over-time cost of Bushes' wars, and unfunded tax cuts, did not magically stop the day he flew home to Crawford. Can you two not understand that?

Try this for help:



And see this for what has created that ongoing debt - hint, it wasn't the current President. If you want to know why the debt has increased another $5 trillion, put it in the lap of the right person, and stop trying to falsely blame it on someone else.

:zz: The majority of it was "works and infrastructure". Hello? All those bridges and roads and water mains fixed?

And all of this data is why the President has ended Bush policies en masse and enforced his own fairness policies! Oh wait, he hasn't because despite what you want to believe, nothing has changed but the that is spewing the nonsense.

Was that supposed to make any sense? Just another vague, random "Hate Obama" rant?

If you think that "nothing has changed" between November 2008 and now, I beg of you - please do not vote.

Back to the subject: Nobody is disputing the debt has gone up. It would go up if we didn't have any president at all and didn't spend a dime.

That the RWNJ, including Joey and ARyan, have fallen for and keep repeating the blatent falsehood that Obama's policies caused all of it is why this country is currently an international joke - because that superior thinking has given us Mitt Romney as a candidate for president of the United States, and the rest of the adult world wonders what the hell ever happened to America?

Worse health care of any first world nation, only FW nation without universal care, most expensive health care of any first world nation, highest infant death rate, half our country near or at poverty, failing behind 10-20 other countries in reading, science, math, a religious taliban forcing their morality laws on everyone else, a political group denigrating and blaming the poor, homeless, starving. But hey! Let's look at Herman Cain and Michelle Bachmann for President! And hope to still be taken seriously in this world??

I dont hate Obama, I dont even know the man, no one does he is completely inaccessible and does not care for politics, in the traditional sense of the word.
Hey let's look at a one term Senator with zero real world experience or any executive or military history to run the largest economy and military in the world. C'mon, comparing Romney to Far right psychos is wrong and you know it, he was Gov of the most liberal state in the union, this is called going along to get along.
It is too bad we are unable to compete with the other glorious western nations and their health and welfare systems as they grapple with 15-20% unemployment and rioting in the streets. If only we could grasp what it is that makes them so great and apply those concepts here, then we would not be an international joke. We could line up with most of Europe and beg Germany to save us too, sounds great, lets do that.

Oh for goodness sakes, seriously? What imaginary planet unhinged from reality do you live on? Hannity World?

And if you want to see rioting in the streets, please, elect Mitt Romney and the Republican European-style austerity financial plan - we'll be right there with Europe ***

Or look at the massive financial misbehavior of the Bush administration, and wonder why we are no longer even in the Top Twenty of the top nations of the world in all the things Bush ignored and fought against while he was busy starting wars to kill a generation of Americans.

Oh - and be sure and vote to overturn the basic start to healthcare reform and education reform Obama started - and get angry over the First Lady and her health initiatives for our kids - getting rid of that will pull us out of the gutter on healthcare and education, for sure!

*** While Europe dealt with the recession and financial crisis via austerity, our country did a stimulus. Gee - who is doing better today?

The deficit was 10.6 Trillion the day Bush left office.

Again, simple mathematics seems to complicate your argument.


Obama inherited a deficit of 10.6 T, only spent 1.4T (your data) and somehow the deficit is now 16 Trillion.



How do you explain the 4 Trillion dollars added over the past 3 years? Is that all service on the debt? 25% interest?

Did Obama accidentally put the 1.4 Trillion on his American Express?

Your phony charts aren't fooling anyone. He is responsible for a 5 Trillion dollars increase to the National debt in 3 years. Period. Fact.