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repent 09-23-2006 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin
How was his 4th place finish in New york a good effort? He lost to Silver Whistle and Sabre d' Argent that day. I don't think that effort would get the job done in the BC Turf.

By the way, the race in Dubai was 1 1/4 miles.

With regard to the Arlington Million, The Tin Man was obviously the best horse. Cacique was within a neck of him at the quarter pole and then Tin Man blew his away. It would be one thing if The Tin Man was out there with a 3 length lead and then barely held off the closers. That's not what happened. He pulled away from them in the stretch. He had a better late kick than the closers. He would have won the race no matter what the pace scenario was.

wtf are you talking about?

English Channel lost to Cacique, Relaxed Gesture, and Grey Swallow in the Manhattan.
you are losing it pal.

and you honestly think the Dubai Duty Free is run at 10f?????
get some help. its just short of 1800 meters.
why the hell would they run the Dubai Duty Free at 10f and the Dubai Sheema Classic at 12f?
they would not and nobody besides you would even think it was a possibility.


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repent 09-23-2006 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
So the best american horse at 12 furlongs has never actually won at the distance?
Doesn't say much about the American Turf Horses.
yeah,
the Euros are always better in this division.
no surprise considering this is what they breed for.

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Rupert Pupkin 09-23-2006 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Yeah you know, I keep forgetting about him. The Tin Man has been awesome this year, and Mandella deserves a lot of credit for what he has done. I personally think that Cacique might be better than TTM, but he did beat him head to head.
They were literally head and head at the quarter pole. The Tin Man totally blew him away from there. It was no contest. He had a 3 length lead on him by the time they hit the 1/16th pole. It shows you who has the better acceleration of the two horses.

repent 09-23-2006 10:45 PM
Rupert,
you said you tried to purchase English Channel?
wtf do you do?
if you are involved in the business,
you damn well should know the results of the Manhattan and at least have some clue as to what distance the Dubai Duty Free is run at.

thats just plain common knowledge.

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repent 09-23-2006 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I agree, even after the Woodford I thought he was better. His UN was an awesome effort, but I think Cacique negotiates the 1 1/2 better than EC does BC day.

ok,
thats interesting and at least a debatable subject(not like the distance of the Dubai Duty Free).

see,
I and most ppl(including Frankel) thought Cacique was a miler/10f horse.
if you had asked me in June where Cacque would run in November, I would have said the BC Mile.
but he ran well at 11 in the MOW and I think(from watching the post race interview) that it even surprised Frankel how well he appreciated the distance.

maybe he is going to like 12 more than most of us thought.
i would not be surprised and I expect that he wlll run well.
in the end though, I think he can run the race of his life and still lose to the Euros(the real ones).

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Rupert Pupkin 09-23-2006 10:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by repent
wtf are you talking about?

English Channel lost to Cacique, Relaxed Gesture, and Grey Swallow in the Manhattan.
you are losing it pal.

and you honestly think the Dubai Duty Free is run at 10f?????
get some help. its just short of 1800 meters.
why the hell would they run the Dubai Duty Free at 10f and the Dubai Sheema Classic at 12f?
they would not and nobody besides you would even think it was a possibility.


Repent
I was looking at the post positions instead of the program numbers. You are right that Relaxed Gesture ran 2nd and Grey Swallow ran 3rd in that race. That's really impressive. Relaxed Gesture is a real world beater.

The Duty Free race is shorter than I thought. It's about 1 1/8 miles.

repent 09-23-2006 10:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin
I was looking at the post positions instead of the program numbers. You are right that Relaxed Gesture ran 2nd and Grey Swallow ran 3rd in that race. That's really impressive. Relaxed Gesture is a real world beater.

The Duty Free race is shorter than I thought. It's about 1 1/8 miles.
sometimes it helps to actually watch the f*cking race.

and no, its actually shorter than 9f.
its meant for milers.


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repent 09-23-2006 10:56 PM
and yeah,
poke fun at Relaxed Gesture.
all he did was beat Electrocutionist and Grey Swallow in Canada last year.
and he placed 2nd and 3rd in at least another 5 grade 1s over the last 2 racing seasons.

do you want me to go over Grey Swallow's resume as well?

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Rupert Pupkin 09-23-2006 10:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by repent
sometimes it helps to actually watch the f*cking race.

and no, its actually shorter than 9f.
its meant for milers.


Repent
I watched the race. I didn't remember who ran 2nd or 3rd so I looked it up and misread it.

The Duty Free is much closer to 1 1/8 miles than 1 1/16 miles. 1 1/8 miles is 1 mile and 220 yards. The Duty Free is 1 mile and 193 yards.

Rupert Pupkin 09-23-2006 10:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by repent
and yeah,
poke fun at Relaxed Gesture.
all he did was beat Electrocutionist and Grey Swallow in Canada last year.
and he placed 2nd and 3rd in at least another 5 grade 1s over the last 2 racing seasons.

do you want me to go over Grey Swallow's resume as well?

Repent
Have you watched Relaxed Gesture's races this year? He has not been running well at all.

repent 09-23-2006 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I would agree there also. But the question is who comes? To early to tell, we all know what a monster Hurricane Run is. I hear Shirrocco is looking at the Classic, as is Dylan Thomas.

yeah,
but the bottom line is that Coolmore wants to win this race.
whether its HRun or DThomas, or whoever, they will have at least 1 strong contender.
Shirocco could go in the BCC, but I bet they come to their senses and try to defend their BCT title.

there will be others also coming over.
there almost always are, unless of the course the Breeders Cup does something stupid like host the event at a track like Lone Star Park.

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repent 09-23-2006 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin
Have you watched Relaxed Gesture's races this year? He has not been running well at all.
yes, unlike you I have watched them all and I think he has run very well right up until the last time out.
think what you will.

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repent 09-23-2006 11:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin
I watched the race. I didn't remember who ran 2nd or 3rd so I looked it up and misread it.

The Duty Free is much closer to 1 1/8 miles than 1 1/16 miles. 1 1/8 miles is 1 mile and 220 yards. The Duty Free is 1 mile and 193 yards.
yeah, like I said,
its shorter than 9f.

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Rupert Pupkin 09-23-2006 11:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by repent
yes, unlike you I have watched them all and I think he has run very well right up until the last time out.
think what you will.

Repent
He hasn't won a race all year. He ran 5th in his last race and he ran 5th in his race before that.

repent 09-23-2006 11:14 PM
yeah,
well its been fun.

Relaxed Gesture has run well but not won this year.
think of him what you will, its not like Im picking him to win anything.

I do know this, he is a hell of a lot better than The Slow Man.
I strongly hope that the pumpkin guy and all his post position reading pals will run to the windows with all their cash on BC day to bet the Tin Man.

then maybe some of us will get better than 1/9 on Hurrican Run.

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