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Riot 03-09-2012 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by wiphan (Post 844516)
wrong, wrong and wrong again. Nice try. The vote had nothing to do with the environment. The mining company most likely will end up in the UP, which might as well be WI. Maybe you should read up. What is on the state flag? Have you looked at it yet?
Didn't the mining company pull out before the vote, due to decreasing ore prices?

Why yes, yes they did.

Taconite can't make money unless Wisconsin legislators remove environmental protections, thus decreasing costs to the company, and giving them a free walk to mine without repercussion for their destruction. And ore prices are falling, making the company not want to go ahead even if the law was passed.

And yes, the vote, for those that voted no, had quite a bit to do with the environment. You see, some people actually do care about that. I know that's hard for you to understand, that some are positive removing regulations regarding safety and environmental contamination protections really matters.

You chose your side - the side of destruction. The majority chose the other side. Thank goodness. That's democracy. Yes, plutocrats and dictators hate that.

wiphan 03-09-2012 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 844519)
Didn't the mining company pull out before the vote, due to decreasing ore prices?

Why yes, yes they did.

And yes, the vote, for those that voted no, had quite a bit to do with the environment.
Show me where the company pulled out before the vote. Google it and you will find a number of articles that state differently

Can you answer my question? What is on the Wisconsin State Flag?

Riot 03-09-2012 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by wiphan (Post 844520)
Show me where the company pulled out before the vote. Google it and you will find a number of articles that state differently

Can you answer my question? What is on the Wisconsin State Flag?
For christs sake - you google, and read the press conference the CEO of the company gave a couple days ago.

You might worry less about what is on the state flag, and more about what the Republicans want to put into the water you drink.

wiphan 03-09-2012 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 844521)
For christs sake - you google, and read the press conference the CEO of the company gave a couple days ago.

You might worry less about what is on the state flag, and more about what the Republicans want to put into the water you drink.
Oh that is right our state was built on Mining. And yes it can actually be done with environmental protections under the proposed legislature. I am sure you are one that believes in things like we shouldn't develop a piece of land because their might be a butler snake that inhabits the area.

Please post your link from the company stating that they left because of dropping ore prices and not because of the vote. I see nothing but the opposite

Danzig 03-09-2012 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by wiphan (Post 844520)
Show me where the company pulled out before the vote. Google it and you will find a number of articles that state differently

Can you answer my question? What is on the Wisconsin State Flag?
i looked it up since you kept mentioning it....from google:

Starting at the top of a shield on a dark blue field is the state motto "Forward". Below it is a badger the state animal. A sailor and miner show that the people work on water and land. The shield in the center shows Wisconsin's support for the United States. In four sections surrounding the shield are representations of the states main industries: Agriculture, mining, manufacturing and navigation. The cornucopia and pile of lead represent farm products and minerals. The flag law was amended in 1979 to include the name of the state and the date of statehood.

Coach Pants 03-09-2012 04:34 PM
"Well...uh mining was popular back when women were treated poorly so that means it's evil"

Riot 03-09-2012 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by wiphan (Post 844526)
Oh that is right our state was built on Mining. And yes it can actually be done with environmental protections under the proposed legislature.
Well, the majority thinks the proposed legislation indeed removed massive environmental protections, so the majority voted it down.

Democracy. It's a good thing :tro:

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I am sure you are one that believes in things like we shouldn't develop a piece of land because their might be a butler snake that inhabits the area.
You're prejudiced? You assume things about groups of people based upon your assumptions? Glad to see you admit that up front. Saves you from having to deal with individuality and reality, doesn't it? :tro:

You're wrong about the snake, but don't let reality change your prejudices.

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Please post your link from the company stating that they left because of dropping ore prices and not because of the vote. I see nothing but the opposite
Try the AP. The Milwaukee JS. Etc.

Better to just face it: the majority voted down this bill whose only point was to strip mining regulations and environmental protections.

The only way the company could make money was if those regulations - which cost money - were removed.

They would not be. The company dropped out when the vote didn't fly through and the people of Wisconsin stood up to the rushed passage.

Good for Wisconsin's environment, it's streams and rivers, it's people. Oh, yeah: especially the native Americans whose lands would be negatively impacted.

This bill wasn't about jobs, it was about stripping the environment. Walker's Wisconsin is a disaster - month after month of massive job losses in the private sector as soon as Walker's budget kicked in. The inherited deficit still there. Walkers budget 140 million in the hole. Removal of worker rights in the face of complete cooperation regarding cutting pay and benefits. Walker is ruining Wisconsin faster than Lake Michigan can erode our family lakefront in Racine. Oh, yeah - I do care about Wisconsin, and how dare you arrogantly lecture me that I can not.

wiphan 03-09-2012 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 844538)
Well, the majority thinks the proposed legislation indeed removed massive environmental protections, so the majority voted it down.

Democracy. It's a good thing :tro:



You're prejudiced? You assume things about groups of people based upon your assumptions? Glad to see you admit that up front. Saves you from having to deal with individuality and reality, doesn't it? :tro:

You're wrong about the snake, but don't let reality change your prejudices.



Try the AP. The Milwaukee JS. Etc.

Better to just face it: the majority voted down this bill whose only point was to strip mining regulations and environmental protections.

The only way the company could make money was if those regulations - which cost money - were removed.

They would not be. The company dropped out when the vote didn't fly through and the people of Wisconsin stood up to the rushed passage.

Good for Wisconsin's environment, it's streams and rivers, it's people. Oh, yeah: especially the native Americans whose lands would be negatively impacted.

This bill wasn't about jobs, it was about stripping the environment. Walker's Wisconsin is a disaster - month after month of massive job losses in the private sector as soon as Walker's budget kicked in. The inherited deficit still there. Walkers budget 140 million in the hole. Removal of worker rights in the face of complete cooperation regarding cutting pay and benefits. Walker is ruining Wisconsin faster than Lake Michigan can erode our family lakefront in Racine. Oh, yeah - I do care about Wisconsin, and how dare you arrogantly lecture me that I can not.
Please post your link showing that the company pulled out prior to the vote because of dropping ore prices. You went off on a tangent about walker. I would like your link please

Riot 03-09-2012 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by wiphan (Post 844541)
Please post your link showing that the company pulled out prior to the vote because of dropping ore prices. You went off on a tangent about walker. I would like your link please
:D You were the one that incorrectly was saying "wrong, wrong, wrong", thus you do your own homework. I'm not doing it for you. As I said, try the AP, Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel, etc. Try the press conference the CEO held before the vote.

As I said, Taconite could only make money at this project by the stripping of all the expensive environmental regs. That's what the bill was trying to do. That is why the bill exists. As soon as the GOP couldn't shove the bill through, the company said they wouldn't pursue it, as ore prices were rising as the wait was occurring. And then the vote came up against them, anyway.

wiphan 03-09-2012 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 844543)
:D You were the one that incorrectly was saying "wrong, wrong, wrong", thus you do your own homework. I'm not doing it for you. As I said, try the AP, Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel, etc.
I didn't find it, but I did find this

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/142085663.html


Looks like the DNR even agrees with the Republicans. That is AMAZING!

Riot 03-09-2012 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by wiphan (Post 844550)
Looks like the DNR even agrees with the Republicans. That is AMAZING!
It's a shame you find that "AMAZING". Most people are not black and white demagogues, hateful of the "other side", regarding government and politics. That, unfortunately, is a relatively new phenomena. Wisconsin will take years to recover from the political hate and intolerance which is coming, frankly, from a small minority of citizens and politicians.

wiphan 03-09-2012 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 844551)
It's a shame you find that "AMAZING". Most people are not black and white demagogues, hateful of the "other side", regarding government and politics. That, unfortunately, is a relatively new phenomena. Wisconsin will take years to recover from the political hate and intolerance which is coming, frankly, from a small minority of citizens and politicians.
You obviously have never dealt with the DNR in the state of WI. What is amazing is that someone at the DNR agrees with the bill. Doesn't that open your eyes at all?

Riot 03-09-2012 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by wiphan (Post 844558)
You obviously have never dealt with the DNR in the state of WI. What is amazing is that someone at the DNR agrees with the bill. Doesn't that open your eyes at all?
It tells me that alot of people are political whor.es. No eye-opening there. It is what it is.

Riot 03-09-2012 07:41 PM
Here, Dell, Wiphan, Geeker - Scott Walker needs your $$
 
I don't have a link where you can donate. Post it when you get it.
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As a result of the ongoing criminal investigation of his former aides and appointees, Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker (R) has set up a legal defense fund for the "John Doe" investigation of his time as Milwaukee county executive that has already ensnared several of his former staffers.

The "John Doe" investigation has already resulted in misdemeanor and felony charges against six of Walker's top aides. The probe by the Milwaukee County district attorney’s office is reportedly focusing on whether staffers who worked for Walker did political work with taxpayer money.

Walker is the first governor in Wisconsin history to establish a legal defense fund.

Walker is also raising money to defend himself against recall efforts. On Friday, the state Government Accountability Board recommended setting a gubernatorial recall primary date of May 15, with the general election on June 12. Kristen Crowell, executive director of the labor-affiliated group We Are Wisconsin, called the dates an "unnecessary delay."

From Walker's press release:

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For nearly two years, Milwaukee County officials have been examining issues related to former employees of the County. I have repeatedly pledged my cooperation with that inquiry. I also made it clear that no public money has been used, or will be used, to pay for the attorneys needed to review documents and assist me in cooperating. To fulfill my commitment, I have today formed a legal fund to pay for the expenses incurred in cooperating with the inquiry. The fund will operate in accordance with the Wisconsin law authorizing these accounts, which was passed almost thirty years ago.”

wiphan 03-09-2012 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 844571)
It tells me that alot of people are political whor.es. No eye-opening there. It is what it is.
Still waiting for your link. I can find 50 + stories that agreed with my statement and not one that stated that the mining company left because of dropping ore prices before the vote. I guess you must have made that up in your own world.

Riot 03-10-2012 03:31 PM
[B]Scott Walker now under investigation in John Doe investigation[/B]
 
Scott Walker now under investigation in John Doe investigation

On Friday Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker (R) announced the formation of a legal defense fund as a result of a John Doe criminal investigation of activities that took place during his time as county executive.

Wisconsin law only permits the formation of a legal defense fund when an official “is being investigated for or charged with a violation of campaign finance laws or prohibited election practices.”

The creation of the fund is an admission, even passively, that the Walker administration just acknowledged it is under investigation.

Read more: http://www.care2.com/causes/gov-scot...#ixzz1okQweYUq

wiphan 03-10-2012 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 844521)
For christs sake - you google, and read the press conference the CEO of the company gave a couple days ago.

You might worry less about what is on the state flag, and more about what the Republicans want to put into the water you drink.
Still waiting for just one link showing that the mining company made their decision based on dropping ore prices before the vote.

Antitrust32 03-12-2012 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 844551)
It's a shame you find that "AMAZING". Most people are not black and white demagogues, hateful of the "other side", regarding government and politics.
what's amazing is you, RIot, actually posted this. considering you are the poster child of hate when it comes to republicans.

biggest hypocrite on the internet? Riot for sure.

Antitrust32 03-12-2012 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by wiphan (Post 844612)
Still waiting for your link. I can find 50 + stories that agreed with my statement and not one that stated that the mining company left because of dropping ore prices before the vote. I guess you must have made that up in your own world.
that and pretty much all the other BS she comes up with.

wiphan 03-12-2012 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 845133)
that and pretty much all the other BS she comes up with.
What AMAZES me is that the proponents against voter ID spend all of their time arguing that the law disenfranchises voters. If they truly cared about this segment of people why wouldn't they spend their time or money trying to help this supposed large segment of the people actually obtain IDs. The argument against voter ID is probably the worst argument I have seen. Try helping this segment get photo IDs instead of fighting the law with your liberal judges. No one wants to take away a person's right to vote. What we do want is elections to be held fairly and honestly. If there is no fraud what are the democrats so afraid of.


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