i'm not the least bit sure about brown. and i think the senate flips to the republicans even if he loses.

i was just commenting in response to riot's post about him being vulnerable and putting it in the larger context of democrats defending 8 vulnerable seats vs. republican's only defending 2.

Sorry. I tend to skip Riot's posts and only saw yours.:)

You can't say that they will support no Republicans then in the next sentence say there is a lot of support for Paul who at last look was a Republican. And please stop trying to make a group that only supports one brand of politician (democrats) as non-partisan.

The irony of your post (as usual) is that you say "folks like me" only support one party no matter what when it is YOU who is on record (broken record) as saying that they will NEVER vote for the GOP again.

People think that the Indy's will be the determining factor but that assumes that the party lines will be balanced which they may not be. In other words the people who don't show up to vote will be as important as those who do. Far left liberals are as vindicitve as they are idealistic (it doesnt matter for the purposes of this post that most of those ideas are wrong). If they think that they have been wronged by Obama(which a whole lot of them do) they may rather not show up to vote which will be a huge loss for O. I have a feeling that the Right will be far more motivated to show up though I suppose that the loser of the last election will usually be. If a far greater percentage of rigties show up than lefties than winning the indy vote is less important and it is hard to imagine that it wont be close to an even split right now considering the direction of the country and the weakness of the GOP contender

Deb-o Deb Rules!!!

Paul is no Republican, he is a Libertarian. Past NH, he'll be running as an independent.

Yes, it's clear you know all Occupy :D Do tell, what Republican candidates or politicians share Occupy values? It's pretty clear that the vast majority of politicians: 100% of Repubs and many-most Dems - are in the pocket of corporate-owned government. Plenty of Dems won't be remotely supported by Occupy.

True the Dems have more seats to defend, but right now some of those states are being destroyed by their GOP govs, which will play into Dem hands. Brown is already massive points behind Warren, in a historically Dem Senate seat. But there's a long time to go yet. Trends are not even "real" now.

Brown is holding the lead over Warren and the 3 other Dem challengers. Warren is expected to win the Dem nomination.

If interested, go to realclearpolitics.com and look under Mass 2012 senate race. :)

^^^^ Under effects of St. Joseph Rye for Adults.(86 proof...4% Turpentine...3% ethyl alcohol)

I only use huffy and dailykouskouscus :p

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Realclear politics, Mass 2012 Senate Race: note the dates of each poll:
Poll Date Brown (R) Warren (D) Spread
RCP Average 8/30 - 12/6 44.3 43.0 Brown +1.3
UMass/Boston Herald 12/1 - 12/6 42 49 Warren +7
Western NE College 9/29 - 10/5 47 42 Brown +5
PPP (D) 9/16 - 9/18 44 46 Warren +2
WBUR/MassINC 8/30 - 9/1 44 35 Brown +9

I understand now why you think Warren is ahead. You are basing this on a Boston area poll. For the record, Boston area polls had Coakley (in the 2010 special election) ahead of Brown by +17, +30, and +31. A Boston poll will NEVER show a republican in the lead. It is a heavy democrat area as is the Amherst, Northampton area in western Ma. This is why it's important to note where the poll was taken.
Since early 2011, the democrat party has been test polling various Mass. dems against Brown. They all were well behind him in these test polls. Warren is the only one that received decent numbers hence she was drafted to run this fall. Interesting to note, her first tv ads had her proclaiming she was "the mother of OWS". Response was not favorible. She has since dropped those ads and seems to be distancing herself from OWS.
It's still a long year so we shall have to wait and see. As I said before, Brown is well liked and does not vote strictly along party lines. That has impressed voters who are sick of the party politics. He also is in the state frequently and that includes visits to western Ma.. "Liveshot" Kerry only appears in western Ma if heavy media coverage will be there.

That's a good point. Did it include only Boston?

Even the averaging shows Brown's early 9 point lead vanishing, his previous +5 and +9 gone, now within margin of error at 44.3 v. 43.0 But it is very early yet, lots can happen. Now is reflecting momentum more than anything.

That's completely false. I've seen all her ads. No.

I imagine you are confusing the Rove attack ad that attributed that to her. That was a lie by the right wing, deliberately misstating her words.

:zz: Not in the least. You can watch her ads all on line and see for yourself. Her greatest strength is her history of trying to regulate Wall Street, and her work with the Consumer Protection Bureau. Maybe link the specific ads you are talking about here. The ones where you think she said she was "the mother of OWS", at least.

Yes the poll was taken in the Boston area.


It was not the Rove ad since the ad I saw clearly stated at the end "I'm Elizabeth Warren and I approve this ad".

The one they are airing now is the one where she talks about her family, etc..

The ad I was referring to was played early on and it showed her giving a speech. A male voice then spoke the praises of Warren. I watch the local news in the morning for the weather and that's when I saw the ad. It was end of September, early October. Perhaps it was a test ad?


Just went to her website. I don't see the ad there either.

Strange you say that. The poll says it surveyed voters statewide
http://multimedia2.heraldinteractive...isc/UMLma1.pdf

Elizabeth Warren has never, ever said that in any ad, nor in any interview.

You are probably referring to an interview she gave back about that time, where she said she had, "worked on the intellectual foundation for Occupy Wall Street."

The right wing took that and twisted it to falsely say Warren claimed she was the mother of the Occupy movement. She never claimed that. The GOP claimed that. You are repeating that twist.

Now, the hilarious thing is that Rove has completely backtracked on that, as his ad boosted her fundraising. Rove's latest ad paints Elizabeth Warren as a Wall Street insider.

You can't buy humor like the GOP gives for free.

BTW - Elizabeth Warren was a registered and voting lifetime Republican until about the time she was 40. She quit the party when it changed.

You can see all the ads, both by Warren and by Rove, and interviews, on YouTube.

Excuse me, but Rita is impeccable with her word and speaks with integrity.

I'll vouch for that:tro:

I saw the poll results. You do realize that inner suburbs, outer suburbs, and southeastern Ma. are all considered the Boston area? Also Umass was involved in this poll UMass west is in Amherst. When Barney Frank gets favorable results from all areas in a poll, you can pretty much tell selected areas were polled.

I'm sorry you can't find the ad on youtube. As I said before, perhaps it was a test ad played only in Mass.. Since I live in Mass. and know what I saw and heard, I'll go by that. I'm not going to argue youtube videos with you. I'll leave that to others with more free time on their hands. It will be an interesting Senate race to watch. Have a good evening.:)

:D

I imagine much will change in the polling in the next 11 months. Long time to go yet.