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MaTH716 08-27-2011 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by declansharbor (Post 803516)
How did Coil not pass Shackleford in the stretch?

It looked like Garcia eased him to me.

Calzone Lord 08-27-2011 08:35 PM

Yeah -- Coil was being eased.

Total non-effort from him ... something was obviously amiss.

Seattleallstar 08-27-2011 09:06 PM

Baffert already expressing his displeasure of Coil being that far back, but Coil never looked like he wanted to run at any point in the race.

Calzone Lord 08-27-2011 09:15 PM

He didn't exactly do a ton of running at Monmouth when he won the Haskell with a 96 Beyer.

outofthebox 08-27-2011 09:49 PM

I don't quite understand blowing him out in 46 four days before a mile and 1/4 race and then plan on rating well off the pace in a race that looked like the pace would be moderate at best. Coil probably didnt understand either and just said **ck this!

Calzone Lord 08-27-2011 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by outofthebox (Post 803530)
I don't quite understand blowing him out in 46 four days before a mile and 1/4 race and then plan on rating well off the pace in a race that looked like the pace would be moderate at best. Coil probably didnt understand either and just said **ck this!

How dare you question the training methods of the GOAT.

You know what Bob Baffert means to a horse?

Vision,
Themes!,
Direction,
Dreams!

He has a track record of leadership, stability, and he's a proven winner.

The GOAT had this horse ready to run through a wall today. I had a dream he was going to win by 22 lengths and equal General Assembley's track record. That sandwhich artist Garcia ruined him though.

I'm so mad right now -- I think I broke a bone in my hand when I pounded my desk afterwards.

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alysheba4 08-27-2011 10:07 PM

the worst bunch of rats that i can remember.

outofthebox 08-27-2011 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 803534)
How dare you question the training methods of the GOAT.

You know what Bob Baffert means to a horse?

Vision,
Themes!,
Direction,
Dreams!

He has a track record of leadership, stability, and he's a proven winner.

The GOAT had this horse ready to run through a wall today. I had a dream he was going to win by 22 lengths and equal General Assembley's track record. That sandwhich artist Garcia ruined him though.

I'm so mad right now -- I think I broke a bone in my hand when I pounded my desk afterwards.

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Which was my main point about Garcia. You work him and let him run a 46 in the am, than you strong arm him back @ 10 lengths off a 47 3 half. I just dont get it>>>>

Calzone Lord 08-27-2011 10:17 PM

I was making a PointGiven 1985 joke.

Had to be a heart breaking defeat for him today -- a Baffert trained son of Point Given and all.


Everyone is knocking this field today -- the Haskell was a 96 Beyer race -- it went as fast as the Barbaro Stakes at Delaware.

Compared to the Haskell -- this group today was like the '98 BC Classic field in terms of depth.

outofthebox 08-27-2011 10:24 PM

Being that it was the only 2 turn dirt race of the day, will be interesting to see what kind of # it will get. It did seem like the stretch lasted forever. On one of your earlier post you felt that Stay Thirsty ran real game because he pressed the pace and went on. Do you feel the pace was legitimate for the track today?

Calzone Lord 08-27-2011 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by outofthebox (Post 803544)
Being that it was the only 2 turn dirt race of the day, will be interesting to see what kind of # it will get. It did seem like the stretch lasted forever. On one of your earlier post you felt that Stay Thirsty ran real game because he pressed the pace and went on. Do you feel the pace was legitimate for the track today?

Yes. Saratoga route paces are among the slowest in the country. Even though the track was quick today -- that was a real Grade 1 stakes type pace.

In terms of adjusted come-home ... it was more like a 3yo alw caliber come-home time.

tiznowthegreat 08-28-2011 12:13 AM

i have had bad beats before but todays was up there with the worst. Would have had the p6 if uncle mo hangs on.

Merlinsky 08-28-2011 12:34 AM

http://www.drf.com/news/replay-caleb...e-kings-bishop

Oh, Mike (Repole, not Welsch). :rolleyes:

Indian Charlie 08-28-2011 12:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 803493)
You guys are a tough crowd. I thought Stay Thirsty ran pretty darn well to survive that hot pace.

Stay Thirsty would have jogged home the Colonel John/Mambo in Seattle year when Mambo got beat with that brutal nose bob.

I always thought the Street Sense/Grasshopper epic battle was vastly overrated too.

Indian Charlie 08-28-2011 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Merlinsky (Post 803554)
http://www.drf.com/news/replay-caleb...e-kings-bishop

Oh, Mike (Repole, not Welsch). :rolleyes:

JFC!

WTF was that last paragraph all about?

outofthebox 08-28-2011 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 803556)
JFC!

WTF was that last paragraph all about?

Hopefully just him babbling while in a very emotional state. Hope Mo comes out of the race great.

Rudeboyelvis 08-28-2011 09:14 AM

Not much mention of Uncle Mo throwing a shoe at the start - "If's" and "But's" granted... but considering the margin of defeat it isn't beyond possibility that he wins by lengths...

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/28/sp...by-a-nose.html

>>>He got there and found little consolation when his trainer, Todd Pletcher, told him Uncle Mo had hopped at the start and lost the shoe on his right hind leg. <<<

If you believe TAP's assessment of the start, then I don't know what the cause for alarm would be.

MaTH716 08-28-2011 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 803566)
Not much mention of Uncle Mo throwing a shoe at the start - "If's" and "But's" granted... but considering the margin of defeat it isn't beyond possibility that he wins by lengths...

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/28/sp...by-a-nose.html

>>>He got there and found little consolation when his trainer, Todd Pletcher, told him Uncle Mo had hopped at the start and lost the shoe on his right hind leg. <<<

If you believe TAP's assessment of the start, then I don't know what the cause for alarm would be.

I thought he was on his wrong lead for most of the stretch too.
But, I don't think Mo needs any excuses, I thought he ran a huge race off the layoff and in defeat. Hopefully he continues to move forward after that performance.

King Glorious 08-28-2011 09:44 AM

I have said it before but I am not a fan of Repole. If he retires Mo after this, I'll be even less of one. There is absolutely no reason to do so. He talks and talks about how he's a fan and wants to do what's in the best interests of the sport and the fans, talks about how he wants to showcase Mo and will run him as a 4yo.....and now we may not even get to see a completed 3yo season. Instead of being ecstatic that his horse returned from illness and layoff to run an outstanding race and is in good position for whatever comes next, he's crying about a loss and talking possible retirement. A foot the other way and he'd have won the race and all would be well. Ridiculous.

Kasept 08-28-2011 09:59 AM

Hilda's Passion exits Ballerina with season-ending condylar..


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