They aren't testing for the right ones.

Yes I do know that but do you also agree with my point being valid if they are misused on a healthy horse?

Any medication that is misused can be dangerous. Just listen to the drug ads on TV when they list the potential side effects.... "may cause strokes and possibly death in rare occasions"...

The advantage steroids give someone who has them when others dont is 1. recover from injuries (however minor) faster and 2. recover from work better, allowing the trainer to train harder with out the the usual repercussions.

If you watch his horses train and his pattern where he claims one and usually takes his time before running them back (allowing the steroids to work) and that the 2nd race after the claim is a lot of time even better than the first you have to figure that he is using steroids. That is exactly how you would do it if you had an anabolic that wasn't being detected.

Can continued abuse of steroids lead to breakdown of the skeletal system? Sure. But driving cars can lead to accidents too.

Okay, stupid questions but please be nice. Are there similar side effects to horses as there are to humans in terms of disposition? Sterility? Are there major differences in what is given to females and males and are the effects the same in each? Are there any obvious "tells" in terms of appearance?

The guy who mentioned PETA going after these trainers is not that far out of line. While PETA is litered with a bunch of nutcases, at least I know their bark has some bite.

Remember a few years back after the Eight Belles fiaso, the government was getting involved to clean up the sport? Man, did that disappear, didn't it? I also find it interesting that Larry Jones, who seems like a good guy but wins at far too high a percentage to be doing it legitimately, "retired" right about the time these investigations were going to get into full gear. I find it very interesting that he's returned to the sport after the "noise" has stopped. He kind of slithered back into the game without anyone really noticing. No one finds that coincidental?

Bottom line, almost all of the high percentage trainers are taking an edge. Dirtballs like this Guerrero pig is over the top. But there is no way that Baffert, etc etc aren't using something, as well. Otherwise, they'd be the greatest trainer of all time when they win at such a high percentage against those other trainers that are cheating.

Only one trainer we KNOW isn't cheating. Jack Van Berg.

Yeah, Larry Jones retired, his wife took over and she still won with him calling the shots from the backround. :rolleyes:

PETA isn't intelligent enough to make something like this work and they aren't interested in doing it....unless there is a lot of press in it for them.

The big difference between steroids in humans and horses is the dosage level and frequency of use.

I have read where bodybuilders would cycle on for 21 straight days. You would never do that with a horse. Humans actually take more on a monthly basis than you would give a horse. If you gave a horse the same amount as a bodybuilder not even taking into consideration the difference in size yeah you would have a major problem with disposition.

I suppose that if you gave large doses to female horse for an extended period of time you may have sterility issues but I am not sure about colts.

You can surely tell horses that have been given large doses of steroids especially in young horses that appear too developed for their age (yearlings/young 2 yo's). And now that the vast majority of racehorses dont have them in their system those that do certainly stick out, at least to people who look at horses all the time.

Are you really this stupid? The "noise" has stopped? Did you miss the little bill introduced in Congress a few weeks back? Do you really think that Larry Jones took some time off to duck some supposed investigation?

While I don't doubt that there are those taking an edge, Guerrero is obvious, people like you who think they really "know" what is going on are usually completely off-base.

And the idea that Jack Van Berg is some lily white deity is laughable.

Sounds like you would be in favor of the return of steriod use as would i in a perfect world. I have no clue why you dont try HARD to get the drug that JCG is using and I mean it? It's good for the horses and you cant get caught and even if you do whats the big deal?

give

So how bout you Chuck?

Bingo.
What makes you think that PETA wants to get involved with say Tuesday night racing at Mountaineer? No national focus, no media of any kind and so on. All PETA likes to do is pile on something when the media spotlight is on. Obviously Eight Belles is the best example in the bigest race of the year with the whole country watching. It was a perfect forum for those frauds. All that talk about Eight Belles on Derby Day. It's funny, I didn't hear a single mention from PETA about Chelokee breaking down in the Alysheba the day before. I guess not enough people were watching.

Keep them far away from the sport.

The only drug free operation is Godolphin

PETA = Money Grubbing whores who support and fund Eco Terrorists

Am I really this stupid? Yes
Noise has stopped? Yes
See the bill introduced? No
Larry Jones time off to duck investigation? Yes
People like me being off base? I guess not everyone has the time or desire to read, write, sleep, sh%t, pi@s, think, dream and be horse racing. It's good to have people like yourself able to do that for us and set us straight.

You do know that Cannon trains horses for a living?

yeah but only for the circus





:D

I keep asking him for the formula and but he says the directions are only in a language he and Lou Pena understand.

give what?