Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 728527)

LOL. So what you are saying is that the trillions of dollars invested in mutual funds didnt benefit from the dot.com bubble?

Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 728530)

LOL... I think you have a selective reading disorder.. No that is not what I am saying at all. Go back and read with a mind not already made up that I am an enemy Dem.

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 727492)

Pelosi is correctly reading what her base has been saying for 8 years. For example, Nascar keeps pointing out people don't health care, but what he neglects to realize is that a good portion of those who "don't like it" wanted far more than the few reforms that were delivered (they wanted single payer)

Look at the election results. The election threw out blue dogs, leaving the Democratic party (especially in the House) and Senate far more progressively-oriented than prior to the election, and sending a clear message to the Dems from their base.

Pelosi has always been of that bent, and now she's determined to represent that base, and part of that is preventing the President from giving away more to the GOP.

That will indeed play extremely favorably among Democrats and a significant portion of independents.

The Dem governor association will also become more active (purposely), the main thrust will be to get single-payer health care established in several states (Oregon, Vermont first) before the next election.

The GOP has moved far to the right in the past 10 years, virtually eliminating their middle. Now the Dems have just moved more to the left, kicking out the blue dogs.

Yes, the GOP is very unhappy with the re-entrenchment of the Dems even more to the left, but the Dem base is thrilled. They want to make Obama stop cowtowing to the GOP, and Pelosi and Reid will both now take that stand.

I still think the GOP will end up with Romney as the GOP nominee.

The GOP will always be at a significant disadvantage in numbers in the future, as the white rural older vote (their base) is shrinking in numbers, while minority-young voters are increasing exponentially and will soon be "the majority" in this country. The GOP continues to move further and further from the largest growing voter blocks across the country. They have to recapture a significant number of "independents" to win the next election (their base is outnumbered by Dem base, but more predictably shows at elections) I doubt it will happen with the Tea Party dragging the GOP farther and farther to the right. We'll see.

And regarding your favorite girl Sarah, I do think it's Palin that is the "most unpopular" politician in the country. But hey, at least she supports the North Koreans. South Koreans. Whatever.

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 727653)

Wow. If she were trying to "pimp some senior votes", you'd think they would have done this, you know, before the election, when it would have resulted in some votes :rolleyes: It's been discussed for a year.

Nobody has intertwined our income tax structure with social security COLA, as you are doing above. Interesting.

Social security is fine for the next 40 years, even if we do nothing, isn't it?

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 727931)

Passed largest budget-cut in history - over 1 billion to reduce the deficit in one year - Obama, Pelosi, Reid

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 728111)

I dont really care what those guys publicaly said. 2 mega rich old guy Democrats who are suffering from guilty consciences. Think they got rich giving money away and asking to be taxed at a higher rate? Find me a 40 year old non-liberal billionaire that agrees.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 728526)

So the trillions made by the average americans over the last 30 years not only by individual investments and retirement funds but by institutional investments such as pension funds is negated by losses? I guess you forgot that there is risk involved and no one was complaining when their nest eggs went up 500% during the boom times...

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 728528)

Yeah we are in imminent danger.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 728538)

If you and Riot would ever actually bother to answer questions instead of promoting my supposed narrowminded political biases.

Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 728548)

Palin is a former politician and current entertainer. Pelosi is by far the most unpopular politician in the country. Even the dems hate Pelosi and blame her for the historic election collapse.

Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 728559)

When you spend 3 billion on a mis-guided cash for clunkers program a budget cut of 1 billion is an insult. How much will the Pelosi $250 per senior cost? :eek::zz::zz:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 728562)

You missed the entire point. Or are simply avoiding it purposely with a straw man regarding the investment world, which is not the topic.

Currently Social Security funds are not in "risk involved" investments. To privatize social security would put them there. The private sector lost nearly half their investments when Wall Street crashed. Thank goodness that wasn't their Social Security funds, privatized by Bush.

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 728563)

You should be scared when the GOP has been blocking normal business for our country for two years, just to try and damage Obama, so they can try and win back the Presidency in 2012.

Routine government business and funding, blocked, treaties in effect since Reagan (hell a treaty Reagan and the GOP created and supported!) blocked .... it's a miracle that Pelosi-Reid-Obama got accomplished as much as they did, considering they needed to overcome the excessive filibuster vote requirement, not the Constitutional majority vote requirement in the Senate, virtually every time something was passed.

BTW, this is a pretty funny website (just insert the f word in the URL if it won't click through): http://www.whatthe****hasobamadonesofar.com/

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 728566)

You might stick to the actual discussion instead of insisting on only debating with your straw man friends.

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 728567)

We disagree, I guess. The Dems love Pelosi, and installed her right back into her leadership position. And from what I've seen, they mostly blame Obama not messaging correctly for the loss of House seats

Still don't understand how this could be called "historic collapse"? when the GOP did not win back the Senate (first time in history that happened, that was a historic loss for the GOP), and the Dems loss less seats this time than the last two changeovers elections?

Have you seen what that idiot backsliding liar John McCain and his buddy Lindsey Graham were saying on the Sunday talk shows about their still trying to block DADT? Morons.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 728599)

I started a thread to ask a few simple questions about the views of the boards participants (democrats in particular) on the strategy employed now by the Democrats and whether you are comfortable with party leadership which now considers Obama to be center-right?

I have not even seen one attempt to answer those questions.

I asked JMS if he thought that mutual funds (and in turn those who are invested in them) benefitted from the dotcom bubble.

He failed to answer and wants to move the conversation to the fees chargedd by funds.

But I am the person who is avoiding topics or creating "strawmen"?

So it is ok to make a blanket statement that Wall Street cost the average investor 30-40% but I have to break financial sectors down?

And who talked about SS finds other than you?

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 728640)

:tro::tro::tro: When in doubt, just start flingin' random contentions out!

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 728603)

Your refusal to answer my questions is really quite telling.