Hard Spun went :46 1/5 and 1:11 at Churchill in the Ky Derby and still ran 2nd. Big Brown was 3 lengths off a :47 and 1:11 pace and he was 3-4 wide and still won the Derby easily. Funny Cide was sitting 2 lengths off a :46 1/5 and 1:10 2/5 pace in the Derby and he won. The track was probably a little faster on those days than it was in the Classic.

There was an incredible bias toward speed in tiznow's classic. No way captain Steve would get by him either way but especially not on that track that day.

In 98 the track was much more fair and slower.

Look at the surrounding races in Captain Steve's form ... and you'll see the Classic wasn't a good race for him speed figure wise.

Certainly, he ran a super race in the Classic that year .. but the pace did hinder him enough.

Captain Steve was a pretty underrated horse. He was a VERY good 2-year-old ... for whatever reason the first half of his 3yo season was weak ... but he really turned the corner in the second half of his 3yo season season through his easy Dubai World Cup win.

He could have easily given Tiznow all he wanted in a fairly run race.

I am somewhat jaded because i backed him the race before in the goodwood. Watching that race, there was little doubt as to who was better at the time in my opinion. No doubt, captain Steve was nice though he looks like he was born in the wrong year.

I don't think the Goodwood proved Tiznow was the better of the two horses at all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBAzwImWE7U

Tiznow was a "lone F" loose on the lead front-runner in there - and Captain Steve had to act as his own rabbit to try to apply some mid-race pressure on Tiznow.

That race, was actually the highest Beyer Tiznow ever ran in his career. He got a 119 in there. He got a 116 when he won the BC Classic at 9/1 over Giant's Causeway next time out. A 117 when he won the Santa Anita Handicap by 5 lengths at age 4. And a 117 when he repeated in the BC Classic at Belmont the following year. Captain Steve really stretched him every yard of the way in there.

It was a generalization.

The idea that the Fat Lunatic doesn't understand why people bet against dramatic underlays makes me question how much he actually knows about betting horses. As I said before the race, Blame was the most likely winner. Given the insanely low odds on Zenyatta, you had to bet against her in all pools. That doesn't mean you don't protect with her in supers, in under slots, but even in that case you are betting against her.

This may not be Horseplaying 101, but it's not so advanced that someone who claims to be as sharp as the Fat Lunatic should understand it implicitly.

Agreed

Zenyatta-mania created the juiciest overlay (Blame) I've seen in a long time in a race of this magnitude.

Espinoza worked about as hard as a jock possibly could in that race. He had to be one worn out pinhead after that one.

He ended his post with "ha ha ha" and is quoting Eastie from PA in his sig line.

I'm just glad I'm not a mod...and all.

I think you have to consider the other posters around here who are grinding it out trying to make the cut.

As you know firsthand - It's not easy sending an assistant to tell a player to get his playbook and report to your office. Yeah, you tell him that maybe he might get a laugh or two at some other board and thank him for his effort, but it's all bullsh!t. He sucks and you know it. This was probably his last shot.

I think he was just one CJ veto away from gaining enterence at RW2 - and now he seemingly can't make the cut anywhere.

He quoted Eastie as his signature? Wow. That's like quoting Pol Pot to defend your position on Human Rights.

What a clown.

The Fat Man's posting career is a lot like Rich Kotite's coaching career - minus those sweet Starter jackets he'd wear on the sidelines.

Should've taken Throat's opinion on this one with a grain of salt, Rupert

That (Z's BCC) was as gutsy a performance as you'll ever see by a t-bred.



By the way, has there ever been a horse which has made chimpanzees out of more people than Z?

Hell, can immediately think of at least a dozen on this board alone…

None moreso than you.....though I am guessing a plethora of things have made you look foolish over the years. But you're right, none more than your bad opinion around here.

:rolleyes:


Have another banana, Throat…

Schooled you bad, Serling!

If I could just learn to manipulate those dang emoticons I bet I could catch up to him.

It's good to have goals.

You need to have realistic goals.