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Princess Doreen

11-05-2010 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 717355)

I really don't think it's that easy for JV. Opt not to ride for your #1 employer in a two million dollar race? Should have he called the vet over, yes. Do I think he would have rode her if she/he was in some sort of danger, no. He really never seemed to urge/get in to her either. He was in a no win situation. Also, Pletcher knew there was an issue in the paddock and I'm sure he watched her very carefully warming up. If anyone should get the blame IMO it is him.

Once a jock is on the horse, the honus is on him. They all just better pray to whomever they pray to that nothing goes wrong with her as a result of running her around that track. My heart breaks for her. First and foremost - it's always the horse that's top priority. Pletcher didn't do right and neither did Johnny V.

Rileyoriley

11-05-2010 09:50 PM

Alot of people dropped the ball on this one.:(

hockey2315

11-05-2010 09:52 PM

I tried to call someone in Europe who has Betfair when this went down, but to no avail.

It's really a disgrace. As soon as JV said something on national TV it was going to be a disaster no matter what. Can you imagine what would have happened if she had broken down? It was just terrible to watch as someone who doesn't want to see a horse in distress and as a bettor. I don't buy the lights excuse either. . . that's obviously a cop out. I hope there's a big time backlash from this.

Linny

11-05-2010 09:54 PM

Is the ESPN coverage available online now? The Borel fight was posted 5 minutes after the event but I can't find the ESPN pre-race coverage of the Distaff anywhere.

FGFan

11-05-2010 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Linny (Post 717369)

Is the ESPN coverage available online now? The Borel fight was posted 5 minutes after the event but I can't find the ESPN pre-race coverage of the Distaff anywhere.

Don't know if pre-race is online but she looked terrible in the post parade and JV looked very concerned.

To note, JV did asked for and received a vet check and she cleared to go, well that's what they reported on ESPN after the race was over.

hoovesupsideyourhead

11-05-2010 09:57 PM

that horse was higher than lil wayne..allday scurries away under the lights..

NoLuvForPletch

11-05-2010 09:59 PM

From THE BLOODHORSE

Dr. Larry Bramlage, on-call veterinarian for the American Association of Equine Practitioners, said in a statement that the 5-year-old mare was examined prior to entering the starting gate by a team of three vets that "did not observe any physical problems.

"She was examined again after the race and again no physical problems were observed. A more in-depth examination will be conducted this evening and tomorrow," the statment read

HaloWishingwell

11-05-2010 10:00 PM

The best Pletcher can do is tell Velazquez is to warm her up well? That idiot should have given specific orders.....if she doesnt feel right to order a scratch from the vet. Pletcher knew he was sending dogmeat to the track and just sat back and watched. He is the trainer of the horse and responsible for her well being. Today TAP stands for Totally Arrogant Prick

Princess Doreen

11-05-2010 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch (Post 717375)

Dr. Larry Bramlage, on-call veterinarian for the American Association of Equine Practitioners, said in a statement that the 5-year-old mare was examined prior to entering the starting gate by a team of three vets that "did not observe any physical problems.

"She was examined again after the race and again no physical problems were observed. A more in-depth examination will be conducted this evening and tomorrow," the statment read

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Who examined her - Stevie Wonder? Jeez, seeing the sweat pouring off her and her mincing steps as they were leading her off the track. She barely did more than a walk around that track. That sweat was stress from pain.

Idiots!

MaTH716

11-05-2010 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by HaloWishingwell (Post 717377)

I agree that Pletcher is probably the biggest fall guy here. But based on your scenario (and I'm guessing that Chuck would probably be able to answer this). Assuming you feel that the horse is in no real danger, do you ask the owners what they want to do in this spot? They are at the gate of what will probably be the biggest race of their lives and you're really not sure what, if anything is really wrong with her. She's been training/acting great all week, maybe it's just the lights. Could the owners have said, we're here and let's just run her?

Linny

11-05-2010 10:09 PM

A vet at the gate is probably looking for unsoundness but LAT was not unsound. She appeared to be sick, not lame.
When she was led back after being unsaddled, she was blowing HARD even though she had just jogged across the line. She looked like she'd just set a track record.

FGFan

11-05-2010 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Princess Doreen (Post 717384)

Or an allergic reaction as has been mentioned.
Initial cbc/smac would have only taken 20 mins or so to run, possibly can show allergic reaction but not alway. Will have to wait, I guess, for more test results.

FGFan

11-05-2010 10:13 PM

I don't have the pp's in front of me, but don't remember noting that she was first time lasix, was she?

Ronnie

11-05-2010 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Linny (Post 717292)

"I would love to know how much money was bet on her in all of the pools combined. Those thieves took the public's money like a stimulus bill."

Not just tickets on LAT in question. My friend and I played a tri and super based on a potentially sharp pace. We were at a simulcast and didn't get to see or hear the pre race because we were in line to bet. Our bet assumed that LAT would be involved in the pace and set up a kickers race. When LAT looked like an old lesson horse out of the gate we were both stunned. When the splits were posted we knew we were in deep weeds. When Acoma was sitting third, I was cooked.
Whether betting on her or against her, people playing the race had the right to fit and sound participants. Everyone in all the pools in that race had to have figured a 7/2 mare with high early speed as a factor in the race, even if they bet against her.
As a multi-race player, I had no way to know before the prior races that there was concern about Life At Ten.

Right but if LAT was scratched the result would have been the same.
I agree with you though that this does affect handicapping of the race of course.

edit: except the pools of course.

MaTH716

11-05-2010 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by FGFan (Post 717402)

I don't have the pp's in front of me, but don't remember noting that she was first time lasix, was she?

RockHardTen1985

11-05-2010 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 717355)

Agree, and it goes both ways... If I remember correctly Noble Causeway was OK.

Ronnie

11-05-2010 10:17 PM

I wasn't really paying attention at that point but didn't they say on ESPN that the lights were bothering her?

Princess Doreen

11-05-2010 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 717410)

Agree, and it goes both ways... If I remember correctly Noble Causeway was OK.

He raced a week later with another jockey and got pulled up on the first turn.

The Indomitable DrugS

11-05-2010 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie (Post 717412)

I wasn't really paying attention at that point but didn't they say on ESPN that the lights were bothering her?

Very early on one of the commentators suggested that.

Pletcher is not to blame for anything.

He thought she was "quiet" and "almost sedated looking" while being saddled. Big deal. Are trainers supposed to order horses scratched because of how they have behave in the saddling area?

ESPN showed a picture of her being saddled - and both Johnny V and a handler were both petting her and playfully smacking her shoulder to try and wake her up.

The first problem was when she got on the racetrack and first tried to refuse to warm up - than stumbled a few times in her warm up.

The second problem was when Johnny V. is telling the ESPN guys she's not warming up well at all.

The third problem was five minutes later - when the camera came back to Life At Ten and Bailey asked Johnny V. if she's doing any better and Johnny V. tells ESPN "No. Not really." Bailey asks what's wrong - and all Johnny V. says is "I'm not sure"

Linny

11-05-2010 10:27 PM

I was 5 feet from this mare in the paddock at SAR before the Personal Ensign and she was NUTSO. She's a very hot type, always tugging the handlers, usually led by 2 people. Today she looked like my friends old chestnut lesson horse out there, inspite of the crowds, the noise the lights etc. He placid demeanor was obviously a sign to Pletcher and she ran like a sick horse.

As for the betting, any 'capper had to factor her in, whether as a win candidate or a pace factor.

Are KY rules the same as NY for multi race bets? Do you get the post time favorite in the event of a scratch? If so you wouldn't have gained anything because Blind Luck was (IMO)hurt by the non effort by LAT. The "real" LAT would have assured a far faster pace, making Blind Luck's chances better.

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