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randallscott35 10-26-2010 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 711330)
Where's Hovdey? I'm sure he can say something even dumber than this.
It's funny you say this. Originally when I was reading it I figured it was him, then I had to look back at the author...Of course Hovdey is busy taking pictures with Zenyatta in the winner's circle so...

philcski 10-26-2010 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch (Post 711309)
That is a pretty harsh condemnation of Looking At Lucky, don't you think? The only thing LQ and LAL have in common is that they both won the Preakness. LAL is a 5 time Grade 1 winner, who, like many others before him did not luck into winning the most over-hyped race in the game, The Kentucky Derby. What else has this horse done wrong?
http://www1.drf.com/tc/preakness/200...isquatorze.pdf

Louis Quartorze only won one G1 (the Preakness) and got beat a nose in the Classic, but would absolutely destroy Lookin at Lucky. Look at the horses he got beat by. Hennessy, Maria's Mon, Unbridled's Song, Editor's Note, Skip Away, Will's Way, Cigar, Alphabet Soup. Every one of those horses would be a heavy favorite in the Classic (except Hennessy, being a sprinter.) He would be 3/5 against this group- or less- on his own merit. And the scary thing is, it could be argued that was the 3rd best of the 3yo crops between 1995-1997.

http://www1.drf.com/tc/preakness/201...n-at-lucky.pdf

To be clear, just because the current group isn't that good doesn't mean I'm not looking forward to it. It will be a great two days of racing at the best BC venue.

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 711316)
Bernardini and Invasor would drown this bunch. And Premium Tap would fill out the tri again.
Definitely.

Indian Charlie 10-26-2010 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by HomerS (Post 711337)
And why we are at it would take the field in both Tiznow's wins as well
Why we are at it?

That's the oddest 'typo' I've ever seen.

NoLuvForPletch 10-26-2010 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 711313)
On their best days, I honestly doubt Lookin at Lucky could come close to Louis Quatorze. I think you should take a good look at his pps. Louis ran some VERY big races, in some VERY big races, at a time when there were some VERY good horses racing.
While I can appreciate the 1996 3YO crop being tough, when did winning races stop counting? I liked Lookin at Lucky's Haskell a lot. His Preakness, while not as visually impressive as you might like, I thought it was impressive enough coming out of the beating he took in the Derby. I'll take my chances with him on November 6.

RolloTomasi 10-26-2010 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch (Post 711361)
While I can appreciate the 1996 3YO crop being tough, when did winning races stop counting? I liked Lookin at Lucky's Haskell a lot. His Preakness, while not as visually impressive as you might like, I thought it was impressive enough coming out of the beating he took in the Derby. I'll take my chances with him on November 6.
The comparison was based on 3yo accomplishment (I know that wasn't clarified). Lookin At Lucky won the Preakness and Haskell, Louis Quatorze won the Preakness and Jim Dandy. No comment was really being made on their respective talents.

The point of my post, which was missed by RHT as well, was that this year's "big 4", in other years, would have all been mid-range contenders to say the least. Lookin At Lucky on paper was similar to Louis Quatorze, who went off at 18-1. What price will the former be?

Doesn't mean Lookin At Lucky can't win this year. Louis Quatorze almost did.

blackthroatedwind 10-26-2010 12:49 PM
I was comparing their respective talent.

Louis Quatorze was in a different zip code than Lookin at Lucky.

Indian Charlie 10-26-2010 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 711416)
I was comparing their respective talent.

Louis Quatorze was in a different zip code than Lookin at Lucky.
Since I'm in a very nitpicky frame of mind today, I was wondering which zip codes those two horses would be from??

RolloTomasi 10-26-2010 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 711416)
I was comparing their respective talent.

Louis Quatorze was in a different zip code than Lookin at Lucky.
I agree. I was really disappointed when he got injured at 4. He looked like he was going to be a monster off his first two starts that year.

The Skip Away-Formal Gold-Will's Way battles were epic enough. What kind of armageddon would have been unleashed if he was in there as well?

Smooth Operator 10-26-2010 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 711449)
I agree. I was really disappointed when he got injured at 4. He looked like he was going to be a monster off his first two starts that year.

The Skip Away-Formal Gold-Will's Way battles were epic enough. What kind of armageddon would have been unleashed if he was in there as well?

Apparently not "epic enough" for those HotY voters…

Indian Charlie 10-26-2010 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator (Post 711463)
Apparently not "epic enough" for those HotY voters…
Man, you are dumb.

NTamm1215 10-26-2010 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator (Post 711463)
Apparently not "epic enough" for those HotY voters…
From the guy whose greatest horse evar is one loss away from ending a 19 of 20 career with 0 HOTY awards.

RockHardTen1985 10-26-2010 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 711469)
From the guy whose greatest horse evar is one loss away from ending a 19 of 20 career with 0 HOTY awards.
I think she deserved at least 1.

NoLuvForPletch 10-26-2010 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 711416)
I was comparing their respective talent.

Louis Quatorze was in a different zip code than Lookin at Lucky.
Dude, that's harsh.

smuthg 10-26-2010 02:30 PM
I think this year's field is better than the last two and better than the field that St. Liam beat in 2005. I don't think its anywhere close to 2006 or 2007...

RockHardTen1985 10-26-2010 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by smuthg (Post 711479)
I think this year's field is better than the last two and better than the field that St. Liam beat in 2005. I don't think its anywhere close to 2006 or 2007...
100% better then the St Liam group. RHT did not get to run :(

Antitrust32 10-26-2010 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 711319)
It's scary to compare some of the 1996 3YOs to this bunch. Skip Away? Unbridled Song? Louis Quatorze? Will's Way?
even Editor's Note and the filly My Flag would have been at the top of the 2010 crop.

& Honour and Glory

Antitrust32 10-26-2010 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Travis Stone (Post 711323)
Unbridled's Song in full disclosure is one of my favorite horses evah... but with a different owner and better feet, I always wonder how far he could have gone. He turned for home in the Derby like the next best thing. Oh well.
:tro::tro:

my #1 doubleplusgood favorite horsey of all time.

I still see Zito quotes recently saying he was as talented a horse that he's ever trained.

philcski 10-26-2010 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 711447)
Since I'm in a very nitpicky frame of mind today, I was wondering which zip codes those two horses would be from??
40510!


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