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Kasept 10-04-2010 06:20 AM

Surprised Girolamo hasn't been included as I thought he stepped up nicely. Wasn't a vintage Vosburgh field certainly, but he rolled them (:22.2, :22.4, :24.1) and showed a new wrinkle being on the lead.

Patrick333 10-04-2010 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by v j stauffer (Post 702913)
She would have been a Superstar in any era on any surfaces. Her races at Oaklawn were also dominant.

Agreed...

Kasept 10-04-2010 07:33 AM

And by the way... No one was more impressive, in defeat, than Crown of Thorns. That was some try in the Goodwood.

Duvalier 10-04-2010 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 703057)
And by the way... No one was more impressive, in defeat, than Crown of Thorns. That was some try in the Goodwood.

Are they planning on sending him to the Breeder's Cup?

smartbid09 10-04-2010 07:39 AM

Zenyatta looked like she was beaten and got up to win at a distance that isn't her favorite. Gary Stevens was there and impressed as well. Garry said 'she just continues to amaze me'.

My pick is Zenyatta.

Kasept 10-04-2010 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Duvalier (Post 703058)
Are they planning on sending him to the Breeder's Cup?

I'll have Mandella today (I think) and find out plans. If not a Classic try, then wouldn't a cutback to the Dirt Mile be right in his wheelhouse at this juncture?

Kasept 10-04-2010 07:45 AM

Rigoletta's effort in the Oak Leaf is another weekend effort that was outstanding..

smartbid09 10-04-2010 07:46 AM

I can't wait to hear your thoughts on the weekend live. I am really looking forward to your view on blame and who you think is the horse to beat in this years BCC.

Smooth Operator 10-04-2010 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up (Post 702955)
Whats kinda sad is the predicament that her owners have put her in, if she loses many are going say "see I told you so", yet in reality its not all that easy for 6 year olds to win the Classic, its only happened a handful of times.

This could have been avoided quite easily.

She probably still jogs but you never know in horse racing.

Actually it has never happened.

Cigar and Pleasantly Perfect couldn't do it … and there were probably other decent 6yos along the way which have tried.

Gives you some idea of what Z is up against here...

Duvalier 10-04-2010 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 703061)
I'll have Mandella today (I think) and find out plans. If not a Classic try, then wouldn't a cutback to the Dirt Mile be right in his wheelhouse at this juncture?

Thanks I'll be listening, always liked Crown of Thorns...and yeah that was kinda my next question...which race would they be pointing towards. What did you think of Winter Memories? That seemed really impressive for a second time starter.

GPK 10-04-2010 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 703057)
And by the way... No one was more impressive, in defeat, than Crown of Thorns. That was some try in the Goodwood.

:tro: Well said SB. He was tons better than Richards Kid, imo.

Indian Charlie 10-04-2010 10:52 AM

Uncle Mo had a nice workout. I didn't see it, but it had to be awesome.


I was more impressed with Blame than most anyone else this weekend.

I still say Zenyatta likely only won because of Switch getting green late.

hockey2315 10-04-2010 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator (Post 703066)
Actually it has never happened.

Cigar and Pleasantly Perfect couldn't do it … and there were probably other decent 6yos along the way which have tried.

Gives you some idea of what Z is up against here...

Hedging?

CSC 10-04-2010 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up (Post 702955)
Whats kinda sad is the predicament that her owners have put her in, if she loses many are going say "see I told you so", yet in reality its not all that easy for 6 year olds to win the Classic, its only happened a handful of times.

This could have been avoided quite easily.

She probably still jogs but you never know in horse racing.

For some, perhaps she will get the credit she deserves if she wins. But let's also be realistic, it won't matter. I doubt a 120 beyer, secretariat like margin would suffice the detractors, it will probably be passed off as that she got the perfect trip, set up, the competition was mediocre, others had rougher trips....ect... You know excuses and you know the drill...My advice to you, is it doesn't matter what others think, don't waste your time. If they don't she's a great horse by now, why would anyone in their right mind think this will change after the BC?

v j stauffer 10-04-2010 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 703120)
For some, perhaps she will get the credit she deserves if she wins. But let's also be realistic, it won't matter. I doubt a 120 beyer, secretariat like margin would suffice the detractors, it will probably be passed off as that she got the perfect trip, set up, the competition was mediocre, others had rougher trips....ect... You know excuses and you know the drill...My advice to you, is it doesn't matter what others think, don't waste your time. If they don't she's a great horse by now, why would anyone in their right mind think this will change after the BC?

Sharp post

Dahoss 10-04-2010 11:30 AM

I thought the performance of the weekend was by Larry Collmus on ESPN.

Kasept 10-04-2010 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Duvalier (Post 703067)
Thanks I'll be listening, always liked Crown of Thorns...and yeah that was kinda my next question...which race would they be pointing towards. What did you think of Winter Memories? That seemed really impressive for a second time starter.

Richard Mandella just confirmed on ATR that the Dirt Mile will be their first choice with Crown of Thorns with the Classic as a remote possiblity...

Winter Memories was tremendous. It's hard to conceive of her turning out even as good as her dam, but she's certainly off to as ideal a start in that direction as possible. Little in the upcoming Cup would please me more than Jimmy Toner getting attention and doing well.

Theatrical 10-04-2010 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 703115)
Uncle Mo had a nice workout. I didn't see it, but it had to be awesome.


I was more impressed with Blame than most anyone else this weekend.

I still say Zenyatta likely only won because of Switch getting green late.

The filly was tired. She didn't switch because she was "green" all of a sudden. Many horses swap their leads when they get tired. There's a couple of pictures up of both horses at the wire. Z's ears are straight up and Switch's are back. Switch ran a terrific race, but the pictures show who was well within themelves.

Duvalier 10-04-2010 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 703129)
Richard Mandella just confirmed on ATR that the Dirt Mile will be their first choice with Crown of Thorns with the Classic as a remote possiblity...

Winter Memories was tremendous. It's hard to conceive of her turning out even as good as her dam, but she's certainly off to as ideal a start in that direction as possible. Little in the upcoming Cup would please me more than Jimmy Toner getting attention and doing well.

Thanks for getting the info...hopefully they stick to the Dirt Mile. I'm really looking forward to seeing what Winter Memories can do in a few weeks. Good stuff with the Johnny D segment...it was kind of like a horse who is a runoff.

cakes44 10-04-2010 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator (Post 703066)
Actually it has never happened.

Cigar and Pleasantly Perfect couldn't do it … and there were probably other decent 6yos along the way which have tried.

Gives you some idea of what Z is up against here...

Yeah, just a couple minor differences between Zenyatta and the horses you mentioned:

Cigar's BCC at 6 was his 8th race of the year, all against major league competition...and it was the 33rd race of his career. I'm not sure if the horses he faced in his last BCC would compete with this year's version though.

Pleasantly Perfect's campaign at age 6 began in February, included a Dubai trip(beating Medaglia d'Oro), and also the Pacific Classic. He also faced Roses in May(the following Dubai Classic winner) and Ghostzapper in the Classic.


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